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celebratedrecluse moderator wrote (edited )

BOOTLICKING WILL NOT BE TOLERATED

But for real, if you stay within the TOS, you're allowed to be here. The TOS excludes shitty behavior, including fascist bullshit, reactionary bullshit, etc.

To our new arrivals, whether you are Trotskyist, M-L, MLM, Demsoc, Socdem, communist without adjectives, syndicalist, anarchist, vegan, nihilist, primitivist, or any tendency or positionality really, take heed of the following.

you will be argued with, you will be challenged more meaningfully and deeply on some of your views than on Reddit's politically myopic bubble. But this is a good thing-- it will make your arguments tighter, and your memes zestier.

So, let me be clear

you are definitely allowed to be here so long as you respect the TOS, just like anyone else. and there is already a diverse set of viewpoints on the forum.

Nazis get the boot tho.

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ziq wrote (edited )

Feels like this should be added to the wiki somewhere.

To reiterate what recluse said:

Everyone is allowed here as long as they follow the tos (except fascists who we ban on sight).

But that doesn't mean this is some kind of ideological safe space. If you make authoritarian arguments you'll absolutely be challenged. This isn't r/communism where anyone that breaks the stalinist circlejerk gets banned. If you expect an echo chamber for stalinism then you're in for a rude awakening. Expect fierce debate.

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HumanBehaviorByBjork wrote

only if you make a post complaining about anarchists at least once every 72 hours

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pointzero92 wrote

Better to have everyone in the same tent pissing out than everyone pissing on each other’s tents right?

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BoogersAreCum wrote

Hot take. There is little to no significant diffrence between the MLs and the anarchists because they're just identity signifiers unconnected to, but desperately attempting to reach some kind of meaning. Until the real solidification of a functioning socialist ideology, there is no true meaningful distinction between these groups. Believe what you want, it only matters when one starts doing it.... and when we do it will hopefully be something "new" meant to adress our actual material conditions, rather than 1917 russia or Catalonia.... Get rid of other dead peoples baggage and embrace the fact we have to start looking into forming answers to our specific problems. Also, you will never escape my attempts to get yall to read theory.

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BoogersAreCum wrote

Also... you do realize we are literally all brought togther by a dem suc pod cast right?

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proofchicken wrote (edited )

anti-sectarian gang. got any contemporary reading recommendations?

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Zibelin wrote

You either do not understand these ideas or confuse them with the teenagers using them without much insight. Sure, they are people for which "anarchist" or "ML" are just identity signifiers that give them an in-group. And sure, when the political spectrum is so shifted to the right, actions from these people look somewhat similar. But don't forget they are actual ideologies behind that.

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Fatcocklongcock wrote

I’ve heard the anarKIDS round these parts get a bit pissy

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techlos wrote

young kids around the world marching against climate change

old tankies shitposting instead of doing praxis

using anarkiddie as if it's an insult

hmm.

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Fatcocklongcock wrote

What’s with the downvotes for an obvious joke? Is the community so butthurt around here that a clear joke gets somebody to downvote your entire account? 😂😂

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Faolinbean wrote

Maybe you're just not funny

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Fatcocklongcock wrote

take that stick out yo booty homie

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Fatcocklongcock wrote

Wasnt talking to you

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Fatcocklongcock wrote

i'll suck your proverbial dick if you dont stop replying to my comments

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Fatcocklongcock wrote

ok you asked for it girly, show me the penis

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Fatcocklongcock wrote

Im angery and opset, how dare you

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Fatcocklongcock wrote

Okay, I'm literally shaking and crying rn. Please stop

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Fatcocklongcock wrote

These power levels, is this illegal?

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Fatcocklongcock wrote (edited )

I know that this will be replied to with the obligatory “reply” joke, but I’m out of semi-funny responses so I’m going to kindly inform you that this will be the end of my participation in this thread. Thanks for engaging in this bit with me.

Edit: you really did me dirty, What a power move

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uadinataliousionderigesy wrote

anarchism is stupid, and so is stalinism. can we please have at least one online left space that isn't saturated with these moronic and undemocratic ideologies. like, please.

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uadinataliousionderigesy wrote

this is an unbelievably bad take lol. just catastrophically ignorant and confused. there is no meaningful democracy under capitalism. ugh it gives me the heebie-jeebies how fucking bad this article is. well, this community's definitely going to be completely fucking useless for bringing socialism to the world if this is the kind of thing that gets upvoted

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uadinataliousionderigesy wrote

pretending that everyone else doesn't exist, and that organisations and structures don't form, means that you don't properly make those things accountable and democratic. it's also strategically completely fuckin useless to insist on a moralistic individualism in the face of a centrally organised capitalism. massively, massively inefficient and causes huge damage to the socialist cause

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uadinataliousionderigesy wrote

these videos confirmed my understanding of what "anarchism" is taken to mean by most people, and my criticism remains. to demand a direct democracy that is capable of locally overriding the will of a larger number of people than you is tyranny; it's asserting your (or your subgroup's) rights over the MoP and society above other people's. it's intrinsically immoral in the exact same way libertarianism is. you can't clasp your hands over your ears and pretend the rest of the world's people don't exist and don't have equal right to freedoms and resources as you do, just because they exist far away from you or because you don't frequent their circles.

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uadinataliousionderigesy wrote

lmao @ calling me a bootlicker

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uadinataliousionderigesy wrote

oh yeah man definitely, absolutely. everyone who's read more than you and works harder than you and goes out in public and talks to strangers about socialism more than you is a bootlicker. someone who regularly tells cops in person that they're class traitors is a bootlicker. god you're pathetic.

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n_n wrote

She is not a man.

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ziq wrote

Did you mean to reply to clouds or uadinataliousionderigesy?

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uadinataliousionderigesy wrote

i'm literally a more hardcore radical than you lol

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uadinataliousionderigesy wrote

you write poorly

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uadinataliousionderigesy wrote

how the fuck is that ableism hhahahahahhahahahh

this is a microcosm of exactly the problem with anarchists - a power structure very much exists in real material terms, but you deny and obscure it, and so there's real analysis or care taken to make sure that the power structure isn't wielded badly or tyrannically. "mod authority will be used only when other options are exhausted", yet in reality, the moderation is stricter and more fickle than otherwise. read some fucking theory or talk to someone that's achieved any socialist outcome in their life, jesus

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uadinataliousionderigesy wrote

fr if you could log off, meditate for a sec on the inherent logical and moral failures of anarchism, and maybe talk to a revolutionary marxist in person without behaving like the shithead you are online, that would be fantastic and you might actually contribute something to the downfall of capitalism

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Basil wrote

Literally, this is the only one I've found that does have lots of these cool opinions. Go back to Reddit/Facebook/Twitter/whatever else there is. Chances are it will be more to your liking

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uadinataliousionderigesy wrote

/r/cth is flooded with anarchists and tankies; what are you talking about? There's basically no revolutionary Marxists or trots there at all. it's literally just anarchists, tankies, and demsocs (plus a million libs ofc)

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