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Amorphous wrote

Wait, you have read the book then. That's interesting. I'm curious how you still consider it a genocide, then. If the picture that book paints is true (and it's definitely the most thoroughly sourced document I've ever seen on the topic, so I have no reason to doubt it is) then the famine in Ukraine was, at worst, a matter of mismanagement on the part of the USSR. Exacerbated, of course, by bad actors -- both from foreign governments and from within. The foreigners, of course, hoping to make the USSR weaker, and the ones within selfishly attempting to hold on to their position as landlords.

But ultimately the famine was started entirely naturally. The region was prone to famines throughout history, and it is only during the lifespan of the USSR that those regular famines came to an end. I see no reason to believe Stalin hated Ukrainians or whatever, or wanted to starve people to death, or made any effort to starve people to death. I'd be happy to be proven wrong, though. I'm definitely not a fan of Stalin. I respect him more than, say, Churchill, but that's not a high bar to clear.

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mofongo wrote

Even if that's the case, he certainly did not make an effort to prevent them from starving to death.

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Bezotcovschina wrote

The region was prone to famines throughout history

What? The most fertile region in USSR and, probably, Europe was always prone to famines?

We can argue over terminology here, but taking all the grain from peasants and do nothing while millions starve - is as bad as any other tankie-approved genocide.

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