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OdiousOutlaw wrote

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Why is it that any time someone contradicts you or ziq they are suddenly not anarchist? Is anarchism a hive mind? Are all anarchists in 100% agreement on all things?

Also You:

I'm already well aware that there's a vast difference between the radlibs who call themselves anarchists on the internet and actual anarchists in the real world. By being a radlib you're not really surprising me, only disappointing me.

"Everyone that doesn't conform to my specific worldview of what an anarchist is is obviously just a radlib."

And "Have fun with your ML friends" is just me telling you to have fun with your ML friends.

Me calling you a liberal is just me mocking your behavior, you liberal.

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Amorphous wrote

You're not totally wrong, but I'd say the context is different. Nothing I have said contradicts anarchism in principle -- whereas these people eat up CIA propaganda which, to my mind, is completely incompatible with anarchism.

I understand they'd say the same thing about my defense of comrades who are not anarchist. What can ya do? I'm still doing my best to discuss in good faith.

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OdiousOutlaw wrote

Why? Raddle's dead, remember?

Nothing I have said contradicts anarchism in principle

What are the fundamental principals of anarchism to you?

Yes, this is a trick question; but you should answer it anyway.

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Amorphous wrote

What are the fundamental principals of anarchism to you?

I guess to put it in the simplest terms, I'd say anarchism is about equality. It's about building a world where everyone has control over their own lives. Working with the CIA is fundamentally opposed to that goal ... for obvious reasons, I'd hope.

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OdiousOutlaw wrote

I'd say anarchism is about equality

Okay, so that's where the split begins. I'm gonna go with "no" on that one; if any political ideology has "equality", whatever that vague platitude is (Seriously, even the actual ideology of liberalism claims to champion it in some sense), as it's core prinicipal it would have to be Socialism. And Socialism isn't even synonymous with Anarchism.

Everyone on this "dead" website that has disagreed with you would say that Anarchism is about the abolition of power. Period. And that's not liberalism or whatever because the markets that liberals like have power, too; the "rights" need a central body of government to actually enforce them; and liberals are fine with the existence of power; and unlike Ancoms, they prefer representative democracy over direct democracy. Also, no one on here actually gives a shit about "Rule of law".

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Amorphous wrote

Anarchism is about the abolition of power.

That's literally another way of phrasing exactly what I said. For people to truly be equal, it is necessary to avoid giving them systemic power over one another.

Why are you incapable of arguing in good faith?

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OdiousOutlaw wrote

So, no one would be equal under libertarian socialism?

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Amorphous wrote

I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at. Typically I would see someone calling themselves a "libertarian socialist" as a crypto-anarchist. That's how I've used the term before. It's generally seen as less scary than the term anarchist and therefore more approachable, and a more acceptable label to use in public.

So ... yes. Everyone would be equal under a libertarian socialist, an anarchist society. Ideally.

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OdiousOutlaw wrote

Typically I would see someone calling themselves a "libertarian socialist" as a crypto-anarchist.

They aren't Anarchists, though. They're primarily socialists with an aversion to authoritarianism; they aren't about abolishing the state, they just want minimize what it can do. Their ideal is a state that can provide welfare and other such services without all of the discrimination and tyranny; a "nice" state, in other words. They don't hate policing, but they do hate the way it's done now. In other words, people are equal but there's still a structure of power.

As opposed to Ancoms, who want to abolish the state and Capitalism.

As opposed to Anarchists, who want to abolish all forms of hierarchy.

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Amorphous wrote

I don't agree with that analysis. What you're describing is a socdem.

And also, no wonder you guys keep saying I'm not an anarchist. You don't think anarcho-communists are anarchists. Wild.

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OdiousOutlaw wrote (edited )

You don't think anarcho-communists are anarchists.

Not really since I lump them in under "strains of anarchist thought". They're Anarchists in that regard. Much like Mutualists, Syndicalists, Anarchist collectivists, Egoists, Anarchists without Adjectives, and so on .

They're also Communists. They're literally the mixture of two ideologies.

Anarcho-Communists are Anarchists, but Anarchism isn't Anarcho-Communism.

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