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RichRaddler wrote

Damn. Cancel Marx for saying racist things in the 1800s. Sure that's not great but is it surprising to anyone? Maybe the statue is left alone because his ideas have contributed to make people's lives materially better than all the founding fathers combined

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ziq OP wrote (edited )

You can value his critiques of capital without building him up into a messiah. Ignoring his faults does no service to anyone.

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RichRaddler wrote

I'm not trying to build him into a messiah. I'm just saying a guy that said racist things in the 1860s was kind of par for the course. Joe Biden and Donald trump are more racist than Marx

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Che wrote

I mean Charles Darwin supported colonialism

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ziq OP wrote

Yeah, fuck him too.

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Che wrote (edited )

Marx wrote his theories for highly devoloped mega industrial European civilization and successfully spread this destructive authority to the rest of the world, reshaping indigenous cultures in the image of the factory. Capitalism and communism are 2 sides of the same coin. Marx was the ultimate colonizer. His theories turned billions of people into workers. Commodities for global capital. The glorious Western civilization he so fetishized has taken over every inch of the planet and led us to the biggest mass extinction event in Earth's history.

This is the dumbest thing I've ever read and incredibly condescending to indigenous communists

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ziq OP wrote

Because all those Chinese workers making pennies in factories pumping out your shitty consumer products until they drop of exhaustion are totally not being exploited by global capitalism communism with Chinese characteristics. Exploiting the shit out of billions of workers to feed Western consumerism is SO COMMUNIST YOU GUYS.

Fucking settlers.

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Che wrote

Yeah bro, we all know that the CCP completely represents what communism is and should be

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ziq OP wrote (edited )

Because every other communist party in the world doesn't exploit its population to feed Western greed.

edit: /s obv

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ziq OP wrote (edited )

a guy that said racist things in the 1860s

Good reason not to idolize a white man who thought Europeans should colonize the world.

Marx:

“Is it a misfortune that magnificent California was seized from the lazy Mexicans who did not know what to do with it?”

Engels:

In America we have witnessed the conquest of Mexico and have rejoiced at it. It is to the interest of its own development that Mexico will be placed under the tutelage of the United States.”

(I won't even begin to quote what he said about black people because of the terms of service)

You don't need to dismiss their rampant racism to be a socialist. This is why politics shouldn't be tied to personalities.

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RichRaddler wrote (edited )

Ok. I think I was a bit zealous because I still think saying things like that is worthy of criticism. It's just worth noting that he's saying awful shit and he's one of the good guys. The ottoman and British empires still existed when he said this stuff.

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ziq OP wrote (edited )

These libs and their "but everyone hated black people back then so it's okay" bullshit. It's peak whiteness to see the world through the eyes of a wealthy racist european man instead of the people he wanted to colonize.

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ziq OP wrote

it's literally never the case. I've never seen a marxist not completely dismiss marx's racism at best, or attack and belittle the messenger much more commonly.

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Pop wrote

Joe Biden and Donald trump are more racist than Marx

I am not convinced tbh

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ziq OP wrote

these chapos seem to have an accute case of settleritis

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Ganggang wrote

I mean he’s not “canceled” it’s just a fact he was racist . Nobody’s saying you can’t read him though

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idunnowhoiambuthey wrote

Well I can't read him but that's because his writing is so fucking boring and I (probably) have ADHD

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ziq OP wrote

It's ok you're not missing anything you can't get from modern more interesting socialists who aren't as bogged down with a colonizer mentality.

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