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Amorphous wrote

Reply to comment by celebratedrecluse in Real socialism! by ziq

this comment thread started with you complaining about the meme

You're an entire week out of date.

As for the rest of the comment, it simply does not seem to me that Xi is a man with total and unquestionable power over his country. I'd need to see some good evidence that this is, in fact, the case before I would believe it.

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celebratedrecluse wrote

Ok, I mean that seems like you walked it back later though, but this is irrelevant and I'm not going to hassle you about it.

He's literally called the Paramount Leader, he has all the most major positions and titles of governance in the government of mainland China, simultaneously holding all of them. So what evidence would you want, specifically, before you would accept my assertion as true?

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Amorphous wrote

Well, first of all I'd need to see evidence that he holds "all the most major positions and titles of governance" because this sounds a lot like what you often hear about the DPRK, and I know quite well that it isn't true in the case of that country. Unfortunately, it's difficult to be well-versed in the democratic and political systems of every single enemy of the US, so some of them I've still not got to.

Anyway, after that, I'd need to see good evidence that there is no accountability. No way for him to be removed from his position if he should start taking actions that the majority of people don't approve of.

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celebratedrecluse wrote

This seems pedantic and evasive, Xi is the Paramount Leader of mainland China, it is a position of incredible centralized power. He has, as Paramount Leader, engaged in purges of corruption in order to consolidate the power of his position within the party. I doubt anyone in China would really dispute this.

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Amorphous wrote

You can repeat that all day long but I'd still need to actually see evidence of it.

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celebratedrecluse wrote

Okay, I'll do the work of providing you the evidence, but you'll need to first define what exactly you're looking for ahead of time

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Amorphous wrote

I ... already did?

This is a strange line of discussion.

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celebratedrecluse wrote (edited )

i re-read the whole thread, all 102 comments, there is nothing that i understand as a direct response to my request in the entire thread.

Please re-state, or at least link to, your qualified requirements for an answer. I've done research papers for online tankies before, and they've come back with "well acktually i wanted X" and i'm not doing that this week. State clearly what you want, or your order will not be filled.

Regards,

a worker

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celebratedrecluse wrote

...this is what we call, vagueposting. it is easy for you to move the goalposts, be specific or your order will not be filled.

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Amorphous wrote

I don't understand. I don't understand how I could be more specific than that. I want you to identify what you think are the "highest positions of power" or whatever and demonstrate that Xi holds all of them and cannot be removed from them.

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celebratedrecluse wrote

i'm asking you to define what evidence you want. What sources count. Do you understand now?

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Amorphous wrote

I mean I think it should be obvious that anything directly owned or funded by the government of the US, UK, Germany, etc is unreliable. Other than that I don't really care.

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celebratedrecluse wrote

so...private publications from various countries, these are ok? Or no? Because you were saying you wouldn't take any of that seriously either. So I'm just trying to establish what exactly your goalpost is, for "prove it". I don't know why you're being obtuse still.

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Amorphous wrote

And I don't understand why you're being so hostile lol I'm not being obtuse. I just don't understand what you want from me.

Private publications, sure, but they'll of course be subject to scrutiny. I'm not gonna believe anything I read from anyone associated with the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation obviously, or any open neo-nazis. Again, I feel all of that should be obvious.

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celebratedrecluse wrote

all of that is obvious. i'm asking you to be more specific, which publications are what you want?

i'm hostile because i'm offering to do work for you, and you're making it difficult.

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