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Grand_Ayatollah_Lenin wrote

Do they know about this place? Is there any reason they're using Lemmy instead?

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Amorphous wrote

Yeah, we're well aware of Raddle. There's a, uh ... certain subset of users here who are incredibly hostile to any views not perfectly aligned with their own, and that doesn't really jive with the "left unity" thing Chapo has going on so this place is unfortunately not sufficient.

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ziq wrote

An "anarchist" who unironically thinks the tankie left unity doublespeak is a thing. Wtf is wrong with you.

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Amorphous wrote

I mean yeah, chapo had a good thing going on and anarchists, MLs, even demsuccs were welcome to hang out. It was the best thing about it.

Anyway, to be clear, I was talking specifically about you. In the cth discord the question about Raddle has come up and there are multiple users, anarchists included who say that this site is largely unusable because of your presence. I don't really think that will change your opinions or behavior at all, but it's something you'll cringe at 5 years down the line thinking about how much of an ass you were.

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ziq wrote

btw you all whining about me on discord will just encourage me to write another w/tankies

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ziq wrote

Yeah, no. I'll be exactly the same in 5 years and you will still be a third positionist fash posing as something else to try and manipulate people into your cult.

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Amorphous wrote

Point proven. Nobody wants to put up with being called a third positionist liberal tankie fascist every time they make a post anywhere on the site because they said one thing an inch beyond your extremely narrow estimate of valid political opinions over a week ago. Literally I said one thing that upset you over a week ago and you've been harassing me, calling me names, and spamming me every single time I comment anywhere ever since.

This is why no one wants to use your shit site.

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ziq wrote

Cry me a river you fucking bullshit artist. You called me a liberal, "stupid" and a cia agent and then cry that I respond by calling a tank a tank? Fucking nerd.

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Amorphous wrote

If you don't wanna be called a CIA agent stop acting like one, buddy.

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ziq wrote

EVERYONE WHO DOESN'T LICK XI'S BOOTS IS IN THE CIA

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Amorphous wrote

Great misrepresentation. I don't know very much about China and I'm not especially a fan of Xi. Nothing I have ever said on this site has implied anything else.

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ziq wrote

Shut the fuck up you gaslighting clown.

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Amorphous wrote

You know it's really fucking gross to misuse terms meant to describe deeply harmful abusive relationships to randomly insult people on the internet, right? What the fuck is wrong with you, seriously?

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ziq wrote

It's good that I'm not misusing it then. I know gaslighting when I see it because of those deeply harmful abusive relationships I've had in my own life. You don't get a free pass just because you're doing it on the internet. Abuse on the internet is just as real as any abuse and pretending it somehow doesn't count is just more proof you're a pos.

It's deeply fucking triggering when some narcissistic asshole comes here and, for weeks, does literally nothing but stan for the chinese state and attack people who are critical of the chinese state, and then tries to claim they haven't been doing that at all and I'm imagining it or making it up.

It's completely fucked up when the same gaslighting asshole claims I've been attacking you when the only reason I've been lashing out at you is because you keep saying shit like "Have you ever in your life read a book" and "If you're not getting paid by the CIA to spread nonsense about its enemies, you're really fucking stupid" and "If you don't wanna be called a CIA agent stop acting like one, buddy" in response to me taking the time to explain basic political terms to you when you ask me to.

You've done nothing on this site but make snide condescending ableist attacks at me and others because we don't support authoritarian racist homophobic capitalist states, and all the time you've been claiming you're an anarchist.

Someone who goes out of their way to defend authoritarian capitalist states, even putting it in their bio, IS NOT A FUCKING ANARCHIST and never will be. As long as you go around posing as an anarchist while apologising for an Islamophobic homophobic genocidal imperialist dictator, I WILL FUCKING RESIST YOUR PROPAGANDA. You made it personal the moment you tried to appropriate anarchy in order to promote your third positionism.

You can keep crying that I'm oppressing you by telling you to fuck off whenever you copjacket me, gaslight me or say I have low intelligence, but anyone paying attention knows what you are.

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Amorphous wrote

"If you don't wanna be called a CIA agent stop acting like one, buddy"

See, the ironic thing is that I was quoting you. I substituted CIA agent for fascist to demonstrate how unpleasant it is to be accused of being a member of one of the worst groups in the world over dumb internet drama. You are literally upset at me for quoting you. Let that one sink in.

https://raddle.me/f/chapotraphouse/114025/-/comment/177073

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OdiousOutlaw wrote

...Why are you still here?

You clearly haven't had many (if any at all) positive interactions with the community, can't help yourself from interacting with ziq (USE THE GODDAMN BLOCK FEATURE IF YOU FIND THEM SO ANNOYING! FUCK!), and you've more or less said that you have no use for this website twice.

So what are you even doing here? Why waste time interacting with people you don't like on a website you've called "shit" using time that you have finite amount of?

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Amorphous wrote

Just waiting for chapo.chat to go live, basically.

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OdiousOutlaw wrote

And you're so bereft of activities that you decided to stay here?

I mean, I can think of 10 other things to do when I'm bored off the bat.

Fuck it, I guess; waste your time. Honestly, if you find ziq so annoying, you could just block them and browse the site at your leisure.

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Amorphous wrote

I mean I check back occasionally while I'm doing other stuff (the way I treat any forum) and I check notifications (invariably filled with ziq namecalling or making light of abuse) and then scroll through every new post on the site (doesn't take long, this place is fucking dead) and then I return to what I was doing.

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OdiousOutlaw wrote (edited )

Why not do something else?

You get nothing from this website.

Do you find some twisted sense of fulfillment from being here?

I genuinely don't why you insist on doing something that's futile.

Sisyphus had to push a boulder up a hill because he was cursed by gods.

You visit a place that you say has no activity and read notifications from ziq (whom you don't particularly care for), but you aren't cursed by gods or any metaphysical force; you can leave the forum, but you choose not to.

Why are you inflicting this on yourself?

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Amorphous wrote

I've had nothing but respectful, reasonably pleasant interactions with everyone who isn't ziq. The issue you're noticing is that because ziq has been harassing me for a week straight, most of my comments are in reply to theirs. I do keep making the mistake of treating ziq as if they are an adult who can actually have a conversation. You're right that I've been proven wrong often enough that I should stop trying.

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OdiousOutlaw wrote (edited )

You're right

I know. I'm always right.

If ziq is the only problem you have with the website and is such an impediment to your enjoyment of raddle, then you should block them. You know, something an "adult" would do (the fact that it apparently took you a whole goddamn week of interactions to actually do anything means that ziq is only half the problem).

Instead of doing that, you've actively carried on discussions with them; I don't know why it took a week's worth of negative interactions for you to actually acknowledge that maybe you can't get along with someone, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and just say you're unbearably stubborn (I could call you immature, but "maturity" is an abstract I don't really entertain).

So do the "adult" thing and block the only person that you haven't had respectful, reasonably pleasant interactions with and stop with your relentless squabbling.

Once your replacement site is built you two will never have to share the same web space again.

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Amorphous wrote

I mean I think it's pretty plain to see that the thing preventing a respectful dialogue is ziq's behavior. Consider, for example, this interaction. I realized that I was being misunderstood at best and maliciously misrepresented at worst, so I took a step back from the meaningless bullshit and tried to actually make a connection. I made a genuine attempt to explain where I'm coming from and demonstrate that I am not the spooky fascist liberal tankie communist supporter of Vladimir Putin that ziq has accused me of being. What did I get in response?

Nothing. Because to even reply, for ziq, would be to lose. You see, ziq needs to be right about me being a fascist or a tankie or whatever it is they're accusing me of today, because that is how they assert control of this shitty little forum they've got here. They need to be right, they need to be the only true leftist, they need to bully off the site anyone with any other opinion. So when another anarchist who doesn't hold every single belief they hold actually shows a human face for a second and tries to have a genuine discussion about why they believe what they believe, ziq cannot engage it. Because then they would be too obviously in the wrong for calling that other anarchist a fascist in disguise or whatever.

So what I'm getting at is I'm happy these interactions happen. I'm happy I can point to a particular discussion which demonstrates the depths of ziq's unpleasant behavior, because it is a great answer for questions like the one which spawned this particular chain of comments. "Do they know about Raddle? If so, why are they making their own site?" Because Raddle is run by a hostile power-tripping asshole who cannot abide even the slightest disagreement.

Does that make sense?

Keeping in mind, of course, that this really doesn't take any time out of my day or negatively affect me in any way whatsoever. If it negatively affects other users of the forum, about that I genuinely apologize. Consider choosing a forum not run by ziq.

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OdiousOutlaw wrote

Consider choosing a forum not run by ziq.

Take your own advice, my dude.

If you're actually concerned about about negatively affecting the experience of other users on the forum, then stop having these little spats that bring nothing to the table.

You don't have to catalogue every interaction with ziq, nor do you have to continue to engage with them; if they're as toxic as you say they are then people will leave on their own.

So what I'm getting at is I'm happy these interactions happen.

That's nice. I think it's fucking annoying and unnecessary. So much so that I'm talking to you about it despite not having any prior discussion with you.

By all means, keep sniping at/with ziq; but the least you can do is drop this paper-thin veneer of maturity and make it interesting. Worst case scenario, you'll just continue to annoy the fuck out of me with these squabbles and I'll just block you (I mean you're leaving as soon as the chapo site gets fixed, so you shouldn't really care).

Or you could leave.

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Amorphous wrote

I think it's fucking annoying and unnecessary.

It's a damn shame you don't have any tools at your disposal you could use to solve that problem on your end. Really, I'm very sorry about that.

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OdiousOutlaw wrote

Well, I block as a last resort.

This whole dialogue started because I was curious as to why you insisted on sticking around.

I still have to see the posts of blocked accounts when I check on the site when I'm logged out, so I guess it isn't perfect.

Still, unlike you, I have an interest in raddle and like it here.

I hope you find something more fulfilling to do with your time and that you're happy with whatever "left unity" friendly community you find yourself in.

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Kmaplbs9 wrote (edited )

Thank you for posting this. I was on the discord and somehow didn’t know about this lol.

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