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marx wrote

Why not just add "(criticism of Israeli policy is okay)" after antisemitism? Six words could solve the problem.

By the way is there any chance of the restrictions on porn ever being removed or an alternative NSFW site being established? An explicitly anti-bigotry space for sex workers could be really popular.

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ziq wrote

Why not just add "(criticism of Israeli policy is okay)" after antisemitism? Six words could solve the problem.

I think this would work.

By the way is there any chance of the restrictions on porn ever being removed or an alternative NSFW site being established?

There was a discussion recently in f/meta about that and the consensus was that it's not worth the trouble and if sex workers wanted that, they would just make their own platform instead of coming to a overtly political one.

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marx wrote

There was a discussion recently in f/meta about that and the consensus was that it's not worth the trouble and if sex workers wanted that, they would just make their own platform instead of coming to a overtly political one.

That sucks, though I understand as porn cuts you off from a significant amount of financial infrastructure. I would say that sex work is inherently political nowadays though. Sex workers are often disprivileged people without the means to create their own spaces too, particularly digital ones that require heavy investments.

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Ganggang wrote

What trouble is it at all, I don’t understand. Just don’t ban people for posting porn lmao

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Ganggang wrote (edited )

I mean I don’t know there can be some common sense applied here. Anything consensual though I feel like is fine, if you don’t like it don’t watch it. I mean I’m not planning on watching porn here anyways lol but it is silly to moderate and feels weird and moralist.

I’m open to discussing more precise rules, but anything consensual sounds good to me. If it’s cringe that’s what the downvoted button is for.

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marx wrote

To allow them to fully participate how they'd like, yes.

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marx wrote

Most sex workers nowadays produce pornographic content. If it's not allowed, then that's basically a major part of their identity and a major if not the primary part of their labor production that's prohibited, closed off, made lesser than and taboo.

Now don't get me wrong. I don't think that the admins here have banned porn out of any sort of anti-sex worker bias. I doubt most sex workers think that. I'm sure they understand the reasons, what with how allowing porn makes hosting more difficult and whatnot. But it still sucks and is hurtful, same as it is to have any other part of you shut out.

Even if you're put in a position where you feel compelled to go along with oppression (again hosting issues for pornographic websits, etc.), and even if it's hard to blame you, the oppression is still being perpetuated.

Imagine the opposite, a porn site where any left-wing political talk is immediately shut down and silenced. Sure, they can say "Well it's just a porn site. Go somewhere else for your politics." and maybe there's some logic to that, but wouldn't you still feel put out a bit if you checked the rules and saw a rule straight up like "Marxism and anti-racism are banned."?

Again, I respect the admins here for doing their best under constraints to create an inclusive space. I don't think that their stance is indicative of any sort of bias. But, fact is, it simply can't be a perfectly inclusive platform if the labor of sex workers is deemed unfit for platforming.

An architect can post a house they built here, a game dev can post a game they made here, and an artist can post their paintings here, but one group (that's already seriously marginalized, including often even on the left, especially when they're trans or PoC) is left out, with the products of their labor specifically called out in the rules as forbidden.

It's exclusionary. I get it. But it's exclusionary and I have no reason to believe that it's not upsetting for those excluded.

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