Submitted by ziq in chapotraphouse
hogposting wrote (edited )
Reply to comment by !deleted2159 in Say no thx to lemmy by ziq
If it is chosen before hand that some punishment should be given in case you do not follow the captain's orders, the captain now has authority.
That's exactly the situation I'm describing, yes. If you don't follow orders in a storm, you're removed from your position, and you might be removed from participating in the functions of the ship altogether. You get "fired" from your role on the ship, just the same as you'd get fired from a regular job if you ignore your boss. (Both are a use of power, as defined by the video you linked, too.)
banning fashies isn't an authoritative action, because everyone on here agrees with it
- Does everyone agree with it? I'm sure if there was a broad discussion on this you'd see some people argue that no one should be banned and fascist content should just be downvoted, you'd see others argue about the definition of "fascist" and what exact content should be bannable, etc.
- If literally everyone agrees on a course of action, sure, it doesn't make sense to describe performing that action as a use of authority. But what if you only have 90% agreement? Or 51% agreement? Or what if, like the example above, you have 600 original, non-fascist members of the forum, but 1000 fascists join and suddenly they're in the majority? It becomes increasingly hard to argue that banning them doesn't involve any authority as the decision to do so gets less and less popular.
Fascists absolutely should be banned (at least until the forum is big enough to not get taken over by them); my point is that mods banning people is a use of authority, and that use of authority (in the case of banning fascists) is justifiable.
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hogposting wrote (edited )
Authorithy would be if the captain was granted a tool to force people to follow their orders.
He has such a tool -- he can move you to a less-desirable role on the ship, or remove you from duty altogether. This isn't much different from your boss demoting or firing you, and your boss certainly is an authority figure.
the admins would be the friends that tells nazis to fuck off
That's not the situation, though:
Mods have greater power than other users of the forum, can unilaterally impose that power on individual users, are not obligated to treat those users fairly, and the exercise of mod power (at least in the form of bans) takes away individual users' autonomy. I don't see any meaningful definition of "authority" that does not include all of that.
One of your friends can't unilaterally shut someone up, for one thing, and removing someone's ability to speak isn't the same as merely telling them to fuck off, for another.
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