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celebratedrecluse wrote

I agree with the first part, however your last two thesis I question.

Electoralism saps energy. There are many people now in USA and UK who have burnt out after spending all their time canvassing and phonebanking for candidates who lost historically. Some radicalized, but most gave up.

Lenin is not a good example for using electoralism as a tool for the fight in the revolution, the NEP was another thing he did. He literally brought back capitalism during an invasion by capitalist powers because central planning fucked up the entire socioeconomic ecosystem. After his death, you got Stalin and the recriminalization of queer people, then the cuban missile crisis, and the state capitalist regime that produced CIA Gorbachev and the world-historic destruction of former USSR peoples' standard of living. So where was the win there? Overall, while the USSR was somewhat of an incremental improvement in certain aspects on the feudal system, it was still a profoundly unequal and self-destructive statist regime.

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flipshod wrote

I agree with you except I think that now that we (US) has been shown that we can't break into the Dem party, all efforts beyond simply voting have been given up.

As to using Lenin, I'm normally the person trying to explain why he's a bad example for myriad reasons. I used his example only because it carries weight in this crowd. I guess to differentiate between people who have "read theory" and the rest. (and I don't even think reading "theory" means at all what it meant back then for the cause.)

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celebratedrecluse wrote

The other efforts have not been entirely given up, for example burning police stations is now becoming more common in your country. I can think of two cities where this has happened, and a third where the police station was taken over and turned into a squat for a few weeks. And I'm not even from there, perhaps you can find more.

Sure, that makes sense.

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