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celebratedrecluse OP wrote
Will's points about the statue dethronements is interesting. while i support destroying religious structures, the material effect of making a demand (especially rather than direct actions) to do something like that as part of a mass movement is contradictory to the self preservation of that movement to a significant extent. what do you all think?
celebratedrecluse OP wrote
furthermore, mat's point that statue destructions are proceeding from superstructure towards material conditions, rather than occuring in the midst of changing material conditions and symbolizing those preexisting conditions, seems pretty accurate to me. that this conversation has become about moral debating over historical figures, rather than the material condtions around us now.
It is striking to me how the conversation was directed from:
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george floyd's death was unjust
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police brutality in response to demonstrations must be stopped.
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statues must be cancelled
what do you all think? Does the focus on statues and other monuments detract or enhance the ability of popular movements to make effective actions on this time?
celebratedrecluse OP wrote
Virgil's pushback was appropriate and I think there is definitely a chilling effect on actions as well as speech if you have racist or other oppressive symbology visible everywhere in public places
LiquidHate777 wrote
I tried a CumTown episode here and there but I just dont like it. I like adam on cth tho, chemistry is good
hogposting wrote
Tearing down statues is fine, but overall it doesn't change anything significant. Even if you want to argue that a statue of Jefferson Davis or whoever is a slap in the face to every black person who walks by (and it is), removing it doesn't remove the white supremacist institutions that built it and kept it in place. You can give your car a fresh coat of paint and it won't go any faster.
The one great thing it does is provide a demonstration of the effectiveness of direct action.
Heywood_Floyd wrote
What I liked about the toppling of the cheapo, mass manufactured "unknown confederate" statues (and they did cast them in large numbers up in Pittsburgh) is that the metal was so thin the statues would crumple when they hit the ground. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbD1e0d_eNo
celebratedrecluse OP wrote
haven't heard this one yet