This is more "both sides" bullshit obviously. Spez trying to appear fair and balanced by banning a left sub every time he bans a fash sub.

anyone has a link to ze discord or any active replacement?

I think it's time to begin the great socialist migration to raddle.

While very funny, this has eliminated the only remaining non transphobic subreddit, and thus any reason to use reddit

I unpaywalled it for y'all!

SAN FRANCISCO — Reddit, one of the largest social networking and message board websites, on Monday banned its biggest community devoted to President Trump as part of an overhaul of its hate speech policies.

The community or “subreddit,” called “The_Donald,” is home to more than 790,000 users who post memes, viral videos and supportive messages about Mr. Trump. Reddit executives said the group, which has been highly influential in cultivating and stoking Mr. Trump’s online base, had consistently broken its rules by allowing people to target and harass others with hate speech.

“Reddit is a place for community and belonging, not for attacking people,” Steve Huffman, the company’s chief executive, said in a call with reporters. “‘The_Donald’ has been in violation of that.”

Reddit said it was also banning roughly 2,000 other communities from across the political spectrum, including one devoted to the leftist podcasting group “Chapo Trap House,” which has about 160,000 regular users. The vast majority of the forums that are being banned are inactive.

“The_Donald,” which has been a digital foundation for Mr. Trump’s supporters, is by far the most active and prominent community that Reddit decided to act against. For years, many of the most viral Trump memes that broke through to Facebook, Twitter and elsewhere could be traced back to “The_Donald.” One video, “The Trump Effect,” originated on “The_Donald” in mid-2016 before bubbling up to Mr. Trump, who tweeted it to his 83 million followers.

Social media sites are facing a reckoning over the types of content they host and their responsibilities to moderate and police that content. While Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, Reddit and others originally positioned themselves as neutral sites that simply hosted people’s posts and videos, users are now pushing them to take steps against hateful, abusive and false speech on their platforms.

Some of the sites have recently become more proactive in dealing with these issues. Twitter started adding labels last month to some of Mr. Trump’s tweets to refute their accuracy or call them out for glorifying violence. Snap also recently said it would stop promoting Mr. Trump’s Snapchat account after determining that his public comments off the site could incite violence.

By contrast, Facebook, the world’s largest social network, has said that it refuses to be an arbiter of content. The company said that it would allow all speech from political leaders to remain up on its platform, even if the posts were untruthful or problematic, because such content was newsworthy and in the public’s interest to read.

Facebook has since come under increasing fire for its stance. Over the past few weeks, many large advertisers, including Coca-Cola, Verizon, Levi Strauss and Unilever, have said that they plan to pause advertising on the social network because they were unhappy with its handling of hate speech and misinformation.

Reddit, which was founded 15 years ago and has more than 430 million regular users, has long been one corner of the internet that was willing to host all kinds of communities. No subject — whether it was video games or makeup or power-washing driveways — was too small to discuss. People could simply sign up, browse the site anonymously and participate in any of the 130,000 active subreddits.

Yet that freewheeling position led to many issues of toxic speech and objectionable content across the site, for which Reddit has consistently faced criticism. In the past, the company hosted forums that promoted racism against black people and openly sexualized underage children, all in the name of free speech.

That has haltingly changed over time. In 2015, Reddit introduced anti-harassment policies. Later that year, it banned several subreddits that targeted black or obese people. In 2016, it rolled out additional anti-harassment measures and tools. It also took down forums dedicated to openly buying and selling drugs.

But the company’s executives have struggled in particular with how to handle “The_Donald” and its noxious content. Reddit said people in “The_Donald” consistently posted racist and vulgar messages that incited harassment and targeted people of different religious and ethnic groups on and off its site.

“The_Donald” has also heavily trafficked in conspiracy theories, including spreading the debunked “PizzaGate” conspiracy, in which Hillary Clinton and top Democrats were falsely accused of running a child sex trafficking ring from a pizza parlor in Washington.

Reddit said that as of Monday, it was introducing eight rules that laid out the terms people must abide by to use the site. Those include prohibiting targeted harassment, revealing the identities of others, posting sexually exploitative content related to underage children, or trafficking in illegal substances or other illicit transactions.

While the site had already banned many of these behaviors, the latest changes take a harder line on speech that “promotes hate based on identity or vulnerability.”

Mr. Huffman said users on “The_Donald” had frequently violated its first updated rule: “Remember the human.” He said he and others at Reddit repeatedly attempted to reason with moderators of “The_Donald,” who run the subreddit on a volunteer basis, to no avail. Banning the forum was a last-ditch effort to contain harassment, he said.

“We’ve given them many opportunities to be successful,” Mr. Huffman said. “The message is clear that they have no intention of working with us.”

Many Republican lawmakers have accused social media companies of censoring conservative viewpoints on their sites. Mr. Huffman said that banning “The_Donald” was not an attempt to specifically target conservatives.

“Absolutely not, full stop,” he said.

The new bans follow the resignation this month of Alexis Ohanian, one of Reddit’s co-founders, from the company’s board of directors. Mr. Ohanian, who said he had been moved by the protests over the death of George Floyd, a black man in Minneapolis who was killed in police custody last month, asked to be replaced on Reddit’s board with a black candidate.

“I’m writing this as a father who needs to be able to answer his black daughter when she asks: ‘What did you do?’” Mr. Ohanian, who is married to the tennis star Serena Williams, said in a blog post at the time. “To everyone fighting to fix our broken nation: Do not stop.”

Michael Seibel, the chief executive of the Silicon Valley start-up incubator Y Combinator and an African-American, has replaced Mr. Ohanian on Reddit’s board.

Reddit executives said the site remains a place that they hope can be a forum for civil political discourse in the future, as long as users play by its rules.

“There’s a home on Reddit for conservatives, there’s a home on Reddit for liberals,” said Benjamin Lee, Reddit’s general counsel. “There’s a home on Reddit for Donald Trump.”

Personally, I think we/they should go to Lemmy. It's the first "Reddit alternative" to be federated.

EDIT: No, I am not a tankie.

EDIT 2: I don't know what I expected when I went to one website just to tell everybody to go to another website lol

I see they also banned chapotraphouse2, which didn't even break their "no demeaning slave owners" rule.

We tried to use lemmy and he banned all of us for being critical of xi jinping. It's owned by a literal Dengist who thinks modern china is the holy grail of communism.

lol hi dessalines, how goes that black hole of Chinese fascism anyway?

It's kinda their fault for not moving here when they had the chance, instead they waited for the quarantine to be elevated to a full ban, and now they can't do shit.

I think chapo2 might have said "minorities don't deserve to be murdered" one too many times. Reddit really frowns on that kind of rhetoric.

They just gave them a cool 45k to spread dengism around the world.

If any of the former mods there want to mod f/chapotraphouse just pm me.

state capitalist societies fucking suck

Translation: "our advertisers would rather we not promote socialism, so we're using the banning of the_fascist to quietly dispose of our biggest left-sub before it turns even more people against our fellow billionaires."

Time to update this old wiki:

w/what_is_wrong_with_reddit

Huffman is terrified of the poor uprising against him. He even has an underground survival bunker and is forever preparing to defend himself from us in a revolution. No joke:

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/01/30/doomsday-prep-for-the-super-rich

This is already better than the chapo subreddit.

I never looked at that subreddit, was it worth anything?

More like a state capitalism phone booth with one thick-moustached guy in it yelling "damn those anarkiddies!!" into a phone.

chapo had 42k DAU, the donald had <8k.

This isn't even both sides BS, it's just another attack on the left.

I'm glad they take such a strong stance against violence anything that would interrupt the ad money gravy train

Spez is a nazi

Lots of leftist memes. Most of the users were ML, but they were cool with anarchists afaik.

it was literally the biggest socialist sub on the site. It had thousands of posts a day. It had more influence on the online left than anything.

and an incel prolly

I remember a year ago reddit was banning trans mods for telling terf brigaders who were spreading hate speech to "fuck off."

Dengism > neoliberalism, that being said not cool to ban criticism

https://i.imgur.com/qiZJ06K.jpg

nah, but he thinks in a post-apocalyptic scenario his brains and leadership ability would make him the leader.

If there is a an apocalypse we should make him act like a dog at all times.

r/gendercritical: "Trans people should be stripped of their rights!" r/The_Donald: "Kill Muslims! Kill LGBT+ People! etc." r/CTH "Slavery is bad" Reddit: "I can't tell the difference between any of these!"

i don’t agree but dig your username. is it a mike pardinas reference?

I'm just gonna eat him tbh fam. I'll need a good dip for my Bezos nuggets.

Nah, it's the name I use to write anarchist stuff.

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/category/author/ziq

seemed more like demsocs than tanks to me.

Good stuff 📖

nice that you know of μ-ziq as well... another /f/IDM fan within our midst :)

So they didn't give an actual reason? Wow. It really is both-sidesism.

idk I kinda like r/COMPLETEANARCHY even if it kinda sucks sometimes

They should just be honest and say it was banned for posing a threat to capitalists.

They always ban secondary/replacement subs

I have to say r/gangweed and r/gamingcirclejerk are pretty nice, though the second one gets sporadically invaded by some gamers and, well, we all know what kind of opinion the gamers community holds

A friend who joined the discord told me the old mods might spin up a dedicated Lemmy instance

Was it really a replacement sub? I think cth2 is simply some people from the original sub who parted ways because cth1 was "too liberal". chapo2 was quite more marxist-leninist and less anarchist (and with probably no liberals) than the original chapo

but do the people banning it know that, and it might've turned into one

https://discord.com/invite/UqPv8B5

Pretty shortsighted to try and start a site from scratch when this one is already sitting here and is well established. Idk what it is about leftists and splitting.

Well, Lemmy is opensource and federated - as far as I know Raddle isn't opensource, and for sure doesn't support federation. Which in my opinion are two really big advantages lemmy has, because everyone can host their own instance, there's no central authority, and communities can federate between instances. Similarly to how Mastodon and all the Fediverse ecosystem works, which is kinda dope

Lmfao, can we take a second to appreciate that CocaCola(TM) has the audacity to get up in arms about facebook hosting questionable material on its website, but, simultaneously being responsible for murdering union organizers in Columbia? Makes fucking sense right?

Raddle is fully free and open source, please don't spread disinfo.

https://postmill.xyz/

if we're being honest, Murican consumers don't give a shit about Columbians being murdered because it doesn't effect them.

Exactly, the hypocrisy is amazing.

That is great, thank you for the link. I said "as far as I know" because I kinda suspected it was but I didn't find a direct link in the site wiki and I only now figured out there's a "technical resources useful for learning how Raddle is built" entry which links to the sourcecode. Does it federate? I see no mention about federation in the docs/gitlab repo. Hope I didn't miss that one too

these fucking clowns think they can survive climate change with their fucking bunkers oh my god ecological collapse isn't something you can fucking wait out for a few weeks or months

people with money are 100% certain their money can buy anything, they prob plan to live underground in climate controlled bunker cities and nuke the surface so none of us can get to them

Violence against slave owners is LITERALLY nazism

r/CTH was unironically one of the largest, most successful and accepting left spaces on the internet. And while lots of people to the left of us hated us (mostly young dorks who read a bunch of theory and have like 1 friend), it also consistently had funny memes and good struggle sessions. There is absolutely only one reason it got banned, it was successfully driving people to the left. It was cleaning their brains of the years of systematic programming to keep people locked in the capitalist, exceptionalist fantasy.

Struggle sessions? Like Maoism?

yeah all the problems with reddit community aside, it was targeted not for any of those critiquable elements but for the simple fact of appearing "fair and balanced" while banning right wing subs, as well as making reddit more marketer friendly. utterly gutless admins

/f/chapotraphouse

Hope we can actually stay and make a community. Raddle is cool. Some other platforms too but here is left-focused.

I can't use this fucking site, it looks just like Reddit, which sucks ass. I need it to look like OLD Reddit, which also sucked ass but was usable

If one knows about the concept of symbolic violence, "both sides" and "free speech" can never be an argument for hate. This shit isn't separated from reality. Reddit has been a bureaucracy forever, but it's consolidated -- whilst the normal user thinks it's China's fault because "China invests in reddit".

whatcha talkin bout man, this don't look bad at all to me

Welcome to internet Shaanxi Province.

And yet somehow MTC and GenZedong are still up happily posting Landlord Memes.

they'll go crazy. do you know how much astronauts train to stay in space?? imagine someone completely untrained in a bunker with their family and they can NEVER come out. they don't nearly have what it takes, and eventually their technology will break down just as everything does

well at least i can use my favorite and first username from reddit again 😌

Used to lurk in chapo now im here lets gooooooooo

What kills me about all the talk on r/politics and in comments elsewhere is that nobody recognized the hard truth that The_Donald left Reddit last November when they set up a subreddit-like forum on a .win domain site, all over a dispute between their 35-40 moderators and Reddit corporate (Admins wanted them to get break up what had become a mafia of the same people for five years, the mafia said "no", began planning). There is no comparison - CTH was a real community and not a goon squad. Destroying it just made Reddit into more of a rightwing hellhole.

this is more dangerous than y’all seem to think. they didn’t ban chapo as a both sides thing, they banned td as a both sides thing. they banned td to take the attention off of banning chapo. any of y’all been to td recently? it was a ghost town. they weren’t spewing any hate anymore. they were dead. chapo, on the other hand, was having one of the biggest growth spikes in its history. with BLM riots and CHAZ, we were getting a LOT of attention. why the hell did they do this ban wave in the midst of potentially the biggest surge of leftist activity since occupy or even before? they don’t care about getting rid of hate, td was advocating for actual literal lynchings for years. they want to stop scary anti-liberal ideas from gaining traction.

They are acting like it's a victory lol. Classic liberalism

i'm still not an anarchist but i guess i'll give it a shot

i notice that it doesn't mention that t_d had been inactive for months

sure, it notes that most of the subs banned were inactive, but it describes t_d specifically as though it were still this massive hub for the online right and not a ghost town

I think they even disabled posting on t_d to force their users to go to their new site. Reddit was just a promotional platform for months to promote a fash site.

that's correct yeah

I wish it would fill up a little more horizontal space (I use 1440p, so that might be why it doesn't), but otherwise it looks decent.

I heard they banned several women support group subs in this purge, but left the pro-rape subs that always brigaded and harassed them.

Get a browser extension that lets you make mild tweaks to the CSS e.g. Stylebot

what subs specifically/where did you hear that? a lot of TERF subs were banned and that sounds suspiciously like how a TERF would characterize what happened.

There is still /r/counting

I saw someone say it without context on reddit. Trying to find a full list of the banned subs to see if it's true.

i mean there's still a lot of non-transphobic subreddits, but one of the biggest ones is definitely gone.

afaik traaa is still around so... youknow.

thanks subbed

"Many Republican lawmakers have accused social media companies of censoring conservative viewpoints on their sites. Mr. Huffman said that banning “The_Donald” was not an attempt to specifically target conservatives.

“Absolutely not, full stop,” he said."

Oh i believe him.

Has Spez ever actually said what rules CTH was supposedly breaking?

thankfully r/moretankiechapo still exists (for now 😣)

I think it's the opposite

They used the banning of fash subs (T_D had long been dead) as an excuse to ban CTH. They can't be allowing such a large sub to exist that is advocating socialism. Its affect on advertisers is reason enough alone to do this.

NANI ?! wan

I was banned for pointing out that Lenin killed revolutionaries after the end of the civil war.

yeah looking at the numbers, t_d was all but dead. it was one of the least active subs of the big subs they banned.

Nah there is some legit grim stuff still up - strugglefucking even says in the description they’re a ban evasion sub

Strugglefucking advertises in the description that it’s a ban evasion sub too

it looks more like old reddit than new reddit to me. at least the posts in a given sub are compact and don't take up half the fucking screen

It's like Encyclopedia Dramatica - the site is still around as a kind/sorta bootleg of the original, which was wiped by Sherrod DiGrippo are replaced by the failed "Oh, Internet" and the even more failed "What Port 80." Most of the places spez killed were rinky-dink. Those people will either form new subreddits or go elsewhere.....the damage for Reddit began when they let child porn subreddits run wild early on, and u/Violentacrez (the guy who gave us r/spacedicks and r/picsofdeadkids) really did not help.

Why was Chapo banned?

posed a threat to world order

You may not agree with anarchists on everything, but they do a lot of cool shit.

You don't need to look at astronauts -- look at the last few months of people who've stayed mostly at home.

They would all starve to death in a matter of just a few years

god damn it I didn't think I could hate Reddit anymore, but I was wrong

That's where the term originates, yes, but here it's being used to describe an unpleasant conversation that likely won't come to a satisfactory resolution.

E.g., "I'm going to Thanksgiving with my family and I know once Uncle Ralph gets a few in him we'll have another struggle session over immigration."

Fuck spez with a chainsaw.

“There’s a home on Reddit for Donald Trump.”

But apparently not for Pig Poop Balls or Hex Bear. Fuck Reddit.

Damn. I think you're right. And it was insidiously hidden under a get-rid-of hate front.

spez is a master of doublespeak

Yeah this is more like old reddit than new reddit.

Pr the article: "There's a home on reddit for conservatives, there's a home on reddit for liberals." So that pretty much says it all.. Also suck it, MTC, WHO'S THE LIB NOW?

Gotta say I had a laugh when the post got to the other cth subs, and it just keeps going! This is what "never log off, never stop posting" looks like!

Were never on any noteworthy position, neither did I receive warnings, but it seemed they never cared to explain, sometimes even not telling what post, comment or upvote was the offense. This is what I heard others had experienced, never have I seen anyone get an explanation..

One interpretation is they wanted to ban the Donald but also wanted to ban a leftist sub so that they won’t be seen to be targeting conservatives. “Both sides” and all that.

More likely IMO is reddit is run by Silicon Valley techbros who are hostile to leftists who just wanted it banned.

it's allmost over 100 upboats

i think this may be a new record damn

No federation, our main (and only) developer has no experience with federation. At this point of development, it would require a rewrite, too.

lame post, please criticise people on things that they believe rather than whether or not they fuck

GenZedong

you'd have to absolutely butcher the pronunciation of his name for that pun to even work...

incel is the belief that men deserve women's bodies and are being deprived of them due to feminism

oh whoops, mixed up the word with "virgin"

ah, I see

The quality of r/COMPLETEANARCHY has gone up since Chapo got banned lmao