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metocin wrote

Whether or not you're being serious that's not a great argument. If ALF was active enough the threat of having their "stock" (read: enslaved animals) liberated could force farmers to rethink and change their unethical business models in favour of planting.

Try again. Its still not ethical to steal and consume animal products.

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DeletedButArchived wrote

Your logic doesn't make any sense than. You either believe stealing from industrial agriculture provides disincentive or it doesn't. Saying that it only provides disincentive when it proves your argument right doesn't make any sense

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metocin wrote

I could say there's a difference between stealing from the retailer and liberating from the producer. There may be a flaw in my logic but you equating the liberation of live animals with the theft of their stolen labour products for your own greedy consumption is also illogical and a gross defense coming from a 'vegan'.

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DeletedButArchived wrote

I never said they were the same. I'm saying they provide the same disincentive to manufacturers. If anything stealing the end product has a greater effect on the large firms that control the industry than attacking the comparatively much smaller producers. If you care about that kind of thing.

I don't know why you have to make up arguments I made to villanize me rather than actual address what I say.

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metocin wrote (edited )

Okay, I wont make up arguments. Consuming cheese is gross no matter how you obtain it, unless you will starve without it. If you're stealing shit you can steal things other than cheese. There is no good reason to steal and eat cheese. Either way it's not your milk to consume. That's bad karma going in your body. Steal some vegan products instead.

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ziq wrote (edited )

or better yet bypass the food industrial complex altogether and get your food direct from the source (trees). all i ate yesterday was apricots, loquats and mulberries. the whole world is covered in fruiting trees and wild greens if you look for it

the reason consumerism persists is because people have been brainwashed into thinking food needs to be domesticated, cultivated, sprayed, processed and packaged to be palatable

food needn't be a product

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metocin wrote

Thats the ideal. I bought a book on local edible plants and fungi and I hope to start some guerilla gardening soon as well as help my folks with their backyard garden. I live in a small city so it would be hard for me not to survive through grocery stores right now but my end goal is to eat only local organic food, and foraging/growing as much of it myself.

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DeletedButArchived wrote (edited )

I can understand that reason to not like people eating cheese. I'm not into the whole declaring anything as sacred thing but most people do view many things as sacred. So making the sacred argument when ethics is brought up makes sense and is a pretty good critique of it imo.

Clarification, I find a whole host of reasons to disagree with the whole sacred thing but it is a reasonable response to lemon bean. If you said that initially I wouldn't have responded.

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