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moonlune wrote (edited )

I have no aversion to eating stuff that come out of bioreactors like this.

Imagine sending the resulting proteins into another bioreactor to feed GMO yeasts that then make any protein needed, like these australian people who are using yeast to grow casein, or these ones who make spider silk clothes.

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lettuceLeafer wrote

Idk this just seems like industry nonsense to me. The fact of the matter is the more processing and calorie ineffeciency is almost always correlated to animal death.

Hence instead of getting food grown then sent to the store u get the food grown then sent to a factory which yeast eats which then requires a bunch of purification then shipped to the store. While I don't really care what people do and that this alternative is vegan it is vastly less vegan than growing your own food.

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moonlune wrote

I'm pretty sure that bacteria are slightly more efficient in time land food and energy than yeasts, that are themselves much more efficient than plants, themselves much more efficient than animals. Animals running around and thinking and breathing is a waste of resources, as is the stem and leaves in a plant. Unicellular organism such as yeast and bacteria only waste resources in cellular walls and reproductive system.

Imagine your store having their bioreactor vats full of GMO yeasts and bacteria that sucks in air, water and energy to makes proteins/fuel/milk/medicine/whatever. Maybe one could even have their home bioreactor. I know it's science fiction but im feeling solarpunk today let me dream lol

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lettuceLeafer wrote (edited )

I actually think GMO yeast is incredibly valuable so I'm not shitty on the concept. I actually am an advocate of biofuels and ethonak fuels using the internal combustion engine. Now there are a lot of cabinets and it has to be done in a specific way but I am a super big fan of this. Also making fuel or medicine is very practical science fact. I've done plenty myself and I tend to do much more. I even got some tool to do more.

Now the main pros of GMO yeast I know of outside of raw effectiency is changing what it makes and changing what energy sources it uses. Sorry I bring up yeast bc that's what I know best and the principle should apply to bacteria.

But the problem is I don't really know how yeast or bacteria would pull energy out of the air outside of photosynthesis. So their energy comes from plants and sometimes rarely animal products. So it's less about bacteria keeping the energy it's that some is lost when compared to just eating the plant.

Now edible energy can be gained if for instance u feed the bacteria grass clippings and turn it into ethonak which will increase chaloric effectiency. But just growing plants to eat instead of the grass will prob be a better bet.

Bc bacteria and heart that don't photosynthesis are just like humans they need a fuel source to turn into calories. So just from a thermodynamics perspective it's usually better to consume first trophic level than second.

I just don't see much benefit in getting calories by taking plant calories and changing it's state by having bacteria or yeast consume it. Now it's useful if the state change gets u something unique and better such as medicine, fuel a preservative or better taste. But raw calories it will be a loss as long as it growing food that humans actually can break down i.e. not primarily made of inedible fiber.

Imagine your store having their bioreactor vats full of GMO yeasts and bacteria that sucks in air, water and energy to makes proteins/fuel/milk/medicine/whatever. Maybe one could even have their home bioreactor. I know it's science fiction but im feeling solarpunk today let me dream lol

Outside of the sucking in water and energy this is just pretty basic science that basically anyone can do for less than 10 bucks on a low tech scale. And it's a pretty good way to go honestly. Water an energy have to be collected and added in all cases to my knowledge but ur dreams are pretty realistic. I'm glad someone else likes this science topic too.

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moonlune wrote

No you're missing the awesome sci-fi part!

In noisebob's article, the bacteria feed on H2 and CO2 to produce biomass (and O2), without the need for sunlight or anything else (H2 is highly reactive and produces enough energy for the bacteria to live when it's "digested" by the bacteria)

H2 is made with water and electricity.

So in my sci-fi solarpunk dream, CO2 it's extracted from the air while water electrolysed in order to produce H2, both of those then get turned into biomass by the bacteria, which then gets turned into w/e by GMO yeast.

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lettuceLeafer wrote

Holy shit, that sounds super fucking sick. My chemistry infatuation has vastly more fuel. I had no idea about that cool shit. I stand corrected. We should talk more often.

I mean I'm always down to talk to more people tho I'm hard to get along with lol

P.s. what does w/e mean

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moonlune wrote (edited )

Yeah it's even possible today (or at least the bacteria->biomass part) but probably inefficient according to current market rates that ignore carbon footprints.

You know I disagree with you often when responding but it's because I don't respond when I agree.

w/e = Whatever

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lettuceLeafer wrote

You know I disagree with you often when responding but it's because I don't respond when I agree.

That's kinda what I figure for most people tbh. I'm on here to have conflict ina. Way to illicit personal growth. Being polite is important but I respect and like people who tell me how I'm wrong. Especially people who know a lot of stuff and have more informed opinions on me. Besides ur comments have positively attributed to my life a couple times now

Personally I'd enjoy it more if when ur disagreed u did it less thoughtfully and more in a prick manner like me. I wanna open my inbox and get a message line.

Uhh, dipshit it can suck energy from the air. Eat my ass and suck my dick faggot. Enjoy hell fucker

Oh second hand maybe ur method is better. Bc when u talk u often have co stuff to say

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