Submitted by heckthepolice2 in anticiv

Not sure if this is really the right place to put this, but I can't really think of anywhere better.

I'm real fucking sick of civilization. I imagine that's not a unique thing to feel around here. With every day that goes by, my fantasies of living of living simply in the wilderness and just being actually fucking free for once grow more elaborate and far fetched. But with every day that goes by I also feel more and more like the slim possibility I might actually achieve those fantasies is just about the only thing keeping me from blowing my brains out.

And I know that, to some extent, that kind of life is still possible. I know there are people on this site who are a lot closer to achieving that than I am. But I just really have no idea where to start.

There's a lot of pressure from all directions to go down this path of, like, get a college degree and then work till you're dead. And whenever I talk about how goddamn sick of it all I am, everyone tells me that "it gets better" but I feel like, if that's the path I end up following, it really fucking won't. I mean, maybe I'll find a few more people I can stand being around, maybe I'll wind up in a town that isn't quite as awful as this one, but it still just seems like such an empty existence.

And the thing is, some of the people putting that pressure on me are genuinely really good people, people I love. My parents, as caught up in the bullshit of civilization as they are, are some of the best people I know. They want me to follow the college-career path that I'm dreading, but they are also fucking paying for me to go to college, which is pretty incredibly fucking generous. And I'm super privileged in that I have a family who aren't assholes and, while by no means particularly rich, are well off enough that paying for 4 years of college without being completely ruined isn't totally impossible. Sometimes I talk about running away to live in the woods around them, but they still seem to think it's either a joke or just some escapist fantasy (and maybe they're right).

I just feel stuck. You know, this is really probably more of a "talk about it at therapy" thing but I guess I'm just having one of those nights where I need to get my thoughts out somehow. Maybe it would be best if nobody ever reads this.

Sorry for the weird rant.

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ziq wrote

All I can tell you is what I did. Worked (in a warehouse), got a loan to buy 1 acre on remote farmland, planted trees, saved up to build a cheap house diy without permits.

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ziq wrote (edited )

Oh and learned everything I could about the edible wild plants in my area, and got used to a non processed diet. Best way to be self sufficient is to stop depending on civilization's food supply.

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brainrot wrote

I really want to do something like this. Even as a kid I wanted to live in a treehouse or cabin.

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ziq wrote

Trick is to go somewhere the state doesn't tread.

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incendialhumano wrote

So, Mars?

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ziq wrote

I live in remote mountains somewhere in western asia. my country's state doesn't come near me. the world is a big place, states only have so much manpower.

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JayGrym wrote (edited )

I'm currently attempting to reform myself to acieve this as well. My first step is reeducation such as identifying plant life and it's uses, general wilderness skills, and identifying areas where this lifestyle will be sustainable.

Unfortunately, due to land ownership, many areas are blocked in. So one avenue that is possible is dispersed camping but be aware there are numerous regulations as to how long you may camp in an area as well as what you are allowed to hunt and forage.

Good luck in your pursuits and remember most people are heavily invested in civilization and many fear a world where it won't exist. If enough people drop out of civilization it could harm the economy but also could open some eyes to the fact it is possible and not just a fantasy. But to those invested in civilization, you will be the enemy.

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thelegendarybirdmonster wrote

go Hiking during summer and other hollidays to get your "wilderness fix" for now.

van dwelling can be a cheap compromise between living outside of society without fully commiting yet. I knew a guy who lived in a tent in a camping ground and went to work on a bike.

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bloodrose wrote

What I'm doing right now is working a terrible office job and saving money for my dream. It's slow going, though. I hope in a few years to be living on a piece of land somewhere people don't care if I live in a tent or a yurt.

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GaldraChevaliere wrote

My partners and I are saving for window boxes and totes to start growing our own vegetables, because this complex is terrible and won't allow a proper garden. We spend a lot of time watching permaculture videos and taking notes for some hypothetical day we're able to get out of the city and find a small cottage or something. I try to avoid going stir-crazy by hiking with my big sister every now and again, but I need to yell at her to get better equipment because our last attempt at a winter camp was a disaster since she chose the night of the eclipse for it and it got below 0 with 3-season equipment.

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An_Old_Big_Tree wrote

A couple I know did sex work (and I think had a bit of money already) and saved up to buy some cheap land which they're setting up with a forest garden etc., using the space as a base of operations for theoretical and practical work. Something like that might work for you?

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incendialhumano wrote

i can't wait to pillage and ruin your permaculture farms when rule of law finally breaks down completely :)

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ziq wrote

I can't wait to kill you for trying :)))))

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ziq wrote

personal property isn't private property. try to take someone's home / survival from them and they have every right to kill you for it.

we live in a world where civilization has destroyed the wilds. you either adopt some agriculture or you starve.

don't be an elitist all your life and you might accomplish something.

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ziq wrote

my 1 acre is barely enough to feed me, personal property is the land you directly use with your own labor without exploiting anyone else

fucking yuppie

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ziq wrote (edited )

I'm indigenous.

you come to my land and try to take food from my mouth by force, you die.

I don't give a shit about your romantic notions of the earth being your body and everything being yours for the taking. (talking of fucking white settlers...)

and rights are for cowards who hide behind the state

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ziq wrote

What claim? By killing you for coming to my country to 'ruin' the forest that sustains me I'm defending the wilderness from you. How fucking clueless are you to accuse me of acting like a settler for warning your yuppy ass to not invade and pillage my land or I'll defend it? Who is the settler in this scenario? Hint: it's you, fool.

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ziq wrote

Anyone who has seen my youtube channel can tell you to shut your smug elitist mouth.

Watching trees grow doesn't take much effort. I can post while they grow.

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foggymorn wrote

What kind of asshole would cut down a food forest? You should be planting more, not cutting down ones planted by others.

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incendialhumano wrote

The forest is already a food forest, you're arrogant for trying to change that.

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ziq wrote

Food forests don't get that way by accident. The Amazon was curated by its people to be as productive and nourishing to humans as it is... or was before civilization tore most of it down.

Forests in civilized places are for all intents and purposes deserts; sterile pine monocultures that can't sustain human life. No food grows in pine monocultures except the occasional acid-loving berry bush.

You talk a big game for someone who doesn't know shit about forestry.

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ziq wrote

The fuck are you on about? How is me restoring my ecosystem speciesist?

You know what, don't even answer. You're more full of shit than my shitting bucket.

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ziq wrote

If I was the master of the Earth, first thing I'd do is remove you from it.

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ziq wrote

Restoring a tiny pocket of the planet that has been deforested by colonizers doesn't make me the world's savior. It just lets me survive.

You're an incredibly toxic person with some really shit takes on... just about everything you talk about.

Humans are capable of restoring ecosystems destroyed by other humans.

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