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bunnythe wrote (edited )

Thanks for sharing, it was a good read. A few thoughts from a non vegan:

Eating meat does not have to come from the abhorrent practises of industrial agriculture. Nor is eating meat synonymous with speciesism. Life feeds on life and always has done, one can deeply respect and connect with the food that sustains them. I too will become food for other organisms when I die.

Veganism does rely on the wholesale clearing of wild land to grow food. Land that was home to countless species of plants, animals, insects, etc - so if meat eating is speciesism, so too is veganism (not to mention ignoring that plants are species too).

Our culture has a fear of death and tries to hide from the reality of the circle of life. Industrial agriculture conveniently hides the process that results in packages of meat on the supermarket shelf. I do think some vegans also try to hide from the death that supplies their sustenance.

I share your anti-political perspectives but disagree that veganism is a necessary element. Civilisation leaves us with no easy paths and no path is perfect. As individuals we try to choose the paths that are best for us. I stand with you as an individual against civilisation. I don't think our differing diets should be a point of contention.

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Terror_Incognita wrote

"Nor is eating meat synonymous with speciesism."

If it wasn't, then the consumption of animals categorized as "human" would be as equally normalized and standard as non-human animals.

"Veganism does rely on the wholesale clearing of wild land to grow food. Land that was home to countless species of plants, animals, insects, etc - so if meat eating is speciesism, so too is veganism (not to mention ignoring that plants are species too)."

This is a very narrowed perception and understanding of veganism. For example foraging wild berries, mushrooms and other fruits and vegetables requires zero industrialization. This is why from an anti-civ perspective, veganism is considered to be a form of re-wilding. Industrial society limits ones knowledge of obtaining wild food - including what is edible and what is not. Meat and dairy - flesh and secretions - are consumed based on a speciesist entitlement in which "human" animals feel entitled to dominate and consume the bodies of non-human animals.

A fear of death is irrelevant to recognizing social control and domination based on socially constructed hierarchies - as the ones created between human and non-human animals. If anything, many anarchist non-vegans have a fear of recognizing the authoritarianism inherent in consuming other animals because they know that it would present them with the dilemma of either making actual change in their lives or continuing to ironically maintain authoritarian relationships with others while identifying as anti-authoritarian.

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