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n_n OP wrote

It is, by and large, not talking about "mom and pop" micro businesses.

That is not stated in any part of the article, why are you bootlicking the petite bourgeoisie? The vast majority (88 percent) of small businesses employer firms have fewer than 20 employees and nearly 40 percent of all enterprises have under $100k in revenue. This is an aticapital forum, get the fuck off with your liberal bullshit.

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existential1 wrote

Lol. Wild overreaction. I was talking about this in particular. https://www.sba.gov/sites/default/files/files/Size_Standards_Table.pdf

Also, articles like this and many others routinely do not poll PoC who are self employed doing work important in their respective communities...like hairdressers in my community.

So more than likely, they're polling white old people just like most polls do in America. And old white ppl love 45.

Also, last I checked, liberals don't use Raddle. Feel free to continue to stay on your galaxy brain anticapitalist soapbox, though.

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n_n OP wrote (edited )

And I was talking about the US Census Bureau statistics:

https://www.census.gov/programs-surveys/ase/data/tables.html

Also, articles like this and many others routinely do not poll PoC who are self employed

Who is talking about the self employees? You didn't talk about the self employees and didn't I, you referred to the "very very large businesses in the US", "businesses that have up to 7million in annual revenue and up to 50 employees." and that "It is, by and large, not talking about "mom and pop" micro businesses."

A "mom and pop" business is:

A small, independent, usually family-owned, controlled, and operated business that has a minimum amount of employees, has only a small amount of business volume, and is typically not franchised, therefore open for business only in a single location.

Wild overreaction

I bet that you are one of the Bernie shills in r/Anarchism. Go to Reddit to shill for the petite bourgeoisie, this is a radical forum and we don't tolerate liberals.

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existential1 wrote

My point is that "small business" as a term includes very large "small" businesses, "mom and pop" shops, and self employed people. So we're both talking about self employed people (maybe you don't understand your own reference table?).

It's well documented that surveys in the US do not accurately or well include PoC. Especially not the self employed ones, and most especially when the business is not legally registered. And many PoC have under the table businesses which contribute to commerce but don't wind up in government data. So this 64% statistic is largely trash, if the intention is to describe all small businesses, anyway.

All that being said, that has nothing to do with whether electoral politics is trash or not (spoiler, it is). But that seems to be what you're conflating my argument with when you bring up politicians.

Again, feel free to continue with the liberal hysteria...it is entertaining. Especially when combined with what seems to be your inability to understand the thing you're using to frame your argument.

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n_n OP wrote (edited )

My point is ROB AND BURN THE MOM AND POP BUSINESSES.

term includes very large "small" businesses

They are not the majority as you seem to imply, that's what the links that I presented says. You are not making an argument in how they are the majority and how are related with what I was saying.

maybe you don't understand your own reference table

I do, it says clearly that those very large business that you are pointing for whatever reason are not the majority, and it's talking about the "mom and pop" business. You said that it don't so maybe you don't know what the fuck are you talking about.

It's well documented that surveys in the US do not accurately or well include PoC.

Again, who is talking about that? Edit: If you want to talk about race, people of color are the most affected by poverty. Both the petite and the big bourgeoisie perpetuate their exploitation and marginalization. So why are you defending them?

self employed

According with the Census the average annual sales for the nation's 24.8 million nonemployers is only $46,978. And the survey doesn't state that they include them. So it's impossible that this are the "very large business" that you were talking about. And I never said nothing about them.

But that seems to be what you're conflating

LOL look who is talking

what seems to be your inability to understand the thing you're using to frame your argument.

Nice ableism, I'm pretty well able to understand when a liberal is talking shit. Go fuck you self.

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existential1 wrote (edited )

For the last time (I won't be reading your next liberal hysteria post), I'm saying that the article you posted, with the term "small business" in it, is attempting to make a claim about the entire population of business owners below a certain size.

And the statistics (there are 2 main ones in this argument, the 1st in this sentence and the 2nd in the next) from which the understanding of that population is derived (including the supplementary links you posted), do not and have not ever properly accounted for many self employed people, particularly because many do not operate "legally".

The second statistic is that "small businesses" support x candidate at y percent. But these sorts of surveys also habitually fail to accurately survey young people and PoC...who are also small business owners, legal or otherwise.

Somehow, my stating this makes you feel insecure about your anarchism and puts u into a state of liberal hysteria.

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n_n OP wrote (edited )

entire population of business owners

NOT 👏 ALL 👏 BUSINESS 👏 OWNERS

But these sorts of surveys also habitually fail to accurately survey young people and PoC

Again, when I talked about that? I'm not contesting that. And with your "not talking about "mom and pop" micro businesses." You clearly responded to my statement. You were not talking about PoC and you are trying to divert the conversation. If you have a criticism with the article that's fine, but that's wasn't your concern since you specifically talked about my statement.

And the statistics

You still keep bringing that when I never talked about those groups. I understand your criticism with the article on that. But when I talk about burn and rob mom and pop bussiness I'm not talking about kids and PoC. So stop talking about something that I didn't mentioned.

liberal hysteria

LOL you are who jumped to defend the "mom and pop" business owners. I care for the poor who are exploited by them. Like the homeless, who more than the 50% are Black.

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n_n OP wrote

inability to understand the thing

Feel free to continue to stay on your galaxy brain anticapitalist soapbox

LOL, sure I'm the galaxybrain.jpg here. It must burn that you need to resort to attack a person abilities to defend your arguments against an uneducated disable Latinx who didn't finish high school and barely can't write in English. XD Here is a truth, poverty or lack of "education" doesn't make us less capable. This is forum is called f/Anti-capital, if you want an award for liberal bootlicking go to r/Anarchism, they probably will give you Reddit gold.

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