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nicktea123 wrote

Guns should be kept from the mentally ill, reactionaries and fascists. not from "white people"


Splinglebot wrote

the mentally ill are victims of violence more than they are perpetrators


ziq OP wrote

So you're blaming mental illness for the absolute explosion of fragile white terrorists murdering minorities left and right? Is that you, Mr. Trump?


ziq OP wrote

and who exactly would determine who qualifies as a 'reactionary'? The state? Cuz I've got news for you.


celebratedrecluse wrote

I mean, to be fair, who gets to decide who's white either? It's not like it's some concrete biological property, many of my friends are white & privileged in one country but when they cross an imaginary line they're suddenly brown or even black and their life is suddenly in danger of fascist violence. But in their home country, they're part of social groups that are like the primary recruitment ground for fascists & the officer ranks of the military.

There's also the visible number of reactionaries who are POC, who certainly enjoy and use guns in the furtherance of fascism. I wouldn't be surprised if someone I know was shot by someone like that, or their white compatriots, at some point in the next few years. Just because you have a claim to non-whiteness, doesn't really say anything about who you are or what kind of person you are.

There's also the issue that by doing what is said in the OP (at least I think, the post was removed), you're disarming vulnerable people like trans women, sex workers, people working in dangerous service industry jobs in male-dominated areas, those are just the first things that come to mind. So by all means, trigger the tankies, it was a reddit post. but if we're having a serious and nuanced discussion that's sorta disrespectful to a lot of people's desire to protect their personal safety in extremely hostile environments.

Of course, I totally get why this is a conversation that needs to be pushed to the front of peoples' minds-- the connection between firearms and whiteness. There's a lot of history there, it's certainly at the center of the dynamic of right wing political violence worldwide now too. And I'm not surprised that r/SRA suddenly becomes r/WhiteRightsAssociation when you post this type of stuff on there, a lot of people on the left have a fetish for guns/ because it's easier than interrogating your own privilege & working with others in a more intersectional and genuinely revolutionary way.

If you ask me, firearms are going to be an important tool for liberation. They are also going to continue to facilitate genocide. There's no reason to regard guns as a political object in and of themselves, whether by spreading them to everyone or restricting them to as few as possible. Instead, I am more interested in challenging the institutions of white supremacist gun culture, like the sellers & large manufacturers, but more importantly just keeping me and my people safe against the scores of reactionaries, white or otherwise, who have guns. And unfortunately that means we need heat to protect ourselves


ziq OP wrote

the only purpose of an exercise like this is to get leftist white fragility out into the open.


celebratedrecluse wrote

for sure, I'm just adding some more perspectives, since on Raddle I think we have a better context to do that