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sudo wrote

I noticed the author conveniently forgot to mention that black people and other people of colour would also be forced to leave the United States, in order to truly return the land to the indigenous tribes it was stolen from. This type of thinking, where land belongs to the very first group of people to live on it, nevermind the people who live there now, is what got us into the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

How about this: the damage from colonialism has already been done. The best course of action now is to work to overthrow the american capitalists, who are the real reason for colonialism, from power. While understandable, these knee-jerk reactions borne of frustration will get us nowhere.

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kore wrote

This type of thinking, where land belongs to the very first group of people to live on it

I've been thinking about this so goddamned much, it's as if decolonial theory has amnesia before the 15th century. Settler colonialism is very narrowly defined (and I think rightly so), so it's not productive to call anything other than European imperialist colonialism "settler colonialism," but the basic concepts behind it deserve a far more general theory and a much broader historical examination.

I think part of the reason that European settler colonialism is the focus is because it's the source way more oppression to people living today than anything remotely similar, past or present. The Israeli-Palestine situation arguably stems, at least in part, from European settler-colonialist attitudes.

The best course of action now is to work to overthrow the american capitalists, who are the real reason for colonialism, from power.

Yeah to me it seems that working on things like immigrant rights would do more to get rid of the white majority.

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ziq wrote (edited )

African Americans aren't settler colonialists and they are addressed in the article.

you should probably give Black people your money, give Native peoples your land, and go back to Europe.

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sudo wrote

Right. Like I said, even if Black people weren't the ones who originally stole the land, they now live on (parts of) said stolen land. Does the author think they need to shove off to make way for the indigenous tribes, too? Is the author indigenous? If not, did the author even ask indigenous people what they want to do about this situation, or did they just assume that this is what they want? This article seems more like an angry rant than a well thought out plan.

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ziq wrote (edited )

The best course of action now is to work to overthrow the american capitalists, who are the real reason for colonialism, from power.

Bullshit. Communism has proven just as colonialist as capitalism again and again. "Overthrowing" the capitalist class doesn't magically stop colonialism. The land will still be settled, indigenous peoples will still be expected to conform to Western cultural values aka communism or be subjugated for refusing to accept the system.