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CaptainACAB wrote

I do not think it is right to ban people who you disagree with, or aren't explicitly and intentionally discriminatory, which includes opposing "Abolish whiteness".

I do think you should note though that whiteness is not something that really exists, but whiteness is an invention a social construct, by American white supremacists as a way to exclude other groups.

what the fuck

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CircleA OP wrote (edited )

Context for what this is about:

https://old.reddit.com/r/Anarchism/comments/ofzrk0/i_hope_white_anarchistsleftist_never_get_so_see/h4gej1x/

throwaway5673082 13 points 1 day ago 

Friendly reminder to everyone that most of these outwardly confrontational and divisive posts are made by right wing discord groups with the intent on spreading instability and divison based on gender, race and in left-wing subreddits. Always approach these posts carefully and learn to spot them.

Jack-the-Rah 1 point 1 day ago 

Nah, but trying to find racism and pointing it out to be super common in circles which actively combat racism and consists of people from all over the world, just to try to split the community, is just shitty behaviour.

It's obvious that this person isn't really trying to combat racism, but trying to split the community on the basis of ethnicity. This reminds me more of "national" anarchism rather than actual anarchism. While I can't speak for others, as someone with mixed heritage and mixed ethnicity, I don't really see a lot of racism in anarchist circles and I like to think of myself as someone who is very sensitive when it comes to racism, due to having experienced it in my life.

They were all calling the user a fascist for complaining about the blatant racism directed at them on the sub.

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CaptainACAB wrote (edited )

No no, I can infer what the overall context was.

My confusion stems from the fact that the person who made the comment about it not being "right" to ban people in an anarchist forum for...opposing the abolition of whiteness proceeded to then turn around and call it a concept made by white supremacists (which is correct).

The only "anarchists" I've seen opposed to the abolition of race are "Nationalist Anarchist" clowns as marked by their manifesto. Which I skimmed for the sake of a quick, easy dunk.

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existential1 wrote

Fun stuff. Got to see a whole lot of deflection and it was like an ism fiesta.

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CircleA OP wrote

A lot more in the mod log:

https://archive.vn/97SDN

You are straight up racist. I did not choose to be born the color that I am, nor could I have stopped my ancestors from doing heinous shit.

You're basically calling me evil for doing nothing more than surviving. It's not helpful. It solves nothing.

And the whole "Indigenous peoples are land stewards" is so historically and currently off base, I am not sure you have ever actually spoken to any.

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I downvoted you because you're acting far more racist than anyone here, and then crying foul because you think your opinions are impervious to criticism because of your race.

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I understand fully what "whiteness" means.

But in the context of the conversation we're having, "white people should not be able to own land" cannot mean anything other than "throw white people off their land" by their skin color, pragmatically.

(and how the fuck is that not a gross embodiment of authoritarianism is beyond me- you gonna force me out of my house at gunpoint? By who's authority?)

I'd love to see how you or anyone else thinks "denying white ownership" plays out.

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Absolutely shocking that a person named BlackApocalypse and whining about racist is the most racist person in a sub.

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maybe leftists/anarchists can stop clubbing each over the head with the color of their skin and their ideological purity and all this other pure bullshit we're going on about?

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Nah fuck off mate. You don’t get to segregate land and call yourself an anarchist LMAO

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Bro you don’t give a fuck about indigenous people, you’ve just got a hate boner for white people because you can’t fathom someone else to take your anger out on.

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Okay, then tell me exactly what you mean by landback, and tell me if that property belongs to anyone. If you by accident say that the property is given to someone or belongs to someone, you are admitting to be a non-anarchist.

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I don't think you understand just how racist the person it, and the fact that their posts are tremendously unpopular on this sub because the person is a complete troll. But they snuck in one post with 500 upvotes, but ousted themselves in the comment section immediately. They've been called an alt-right troll about a dozen times in their posts.

It isn't reverse racism, it's just racism. And everyone who has interacted with that person in the comment section knows it. They literally believe in private property.

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Step back and look at the thing you just said. "And SO WHAT if someone is trying to boot you out of your home for the sins of your fathers..." Wow, it's so weird that someone would have a visceral reaction to being dehumanized, unfuckinbelievable.

The "even if they are" is you just handwaving away the brutality because "someone else has it worse." And you only do that because my skin is pale.

"so what if someone was trying to kick you out of your home"

Repeat that in a mirror until you realize how disgusting it is to say that to anyone

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Why should I read a book (about whiteness) that makes me racist? Seems quite counter-active to my stance being anti-racist.

Especially when OP spouse opionions like the "gentle savage that lives in harmony with nature" and that all "oppressed people are on my side".

No, that's not reality.

And if you can't debate the topic but refers to a book you've lost me. Besides, when calling me a liberal you are not building my interest you are doing the opposite you fucking fascist.

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it boils down to "POC doing X good, white people doing X bad"

It's racist. Both ideologically and pragmatically racist.

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The fuck difference does that make to my situation?

Let's cut to the chase- you're driving towards "you should live in "your own" country" And that's fucking hilarious in a goddamn Anarchist forum.

I'm out. Go back to defending literal ethnonationalism and clubbing other leftists over the head with their skin color, real productive shit. (also fuck you and your immediate downvotes. I can do it too, see?)

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What right have I? The right to demand democracy. The right to say that a community, regardless of sordid things done by their ancestors, ought be free to govern itself. Your proposal amounts to ethnic cleansing--or else how do you propose that a community of, say, Newfoundland fishermen who have lived on the same north Atlantic rock for four hundred years suddenly be dissolved.

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Op wants segregation instead of solving racial issues based on there post history . Why is this allowed on this sub.

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Seems you have some real racist oppinions yourself you need to sort out. "White ownership is exploitation", "Indigenous are land stewards" Yeah, uhm, no. Sort out your own racism.

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Sound a lot like what neo cons say

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No your downvoted cause you have a shit and racist argument.

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Op has some interesting opinions regarding white people and land ownership for an anarchist

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"White people shouldn't be able to own land" ...is fucking racist. End of. OP is quite clearly an ethnonationalist

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Looked through their history and can confirm what you said. It feels absurd to say, but OP seems to be reverse racist. Anti racism isn't just anti white people. White people benefit the most from racism, but racism won't be solved by hating white people.

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So their definition of "racism" might be stretched a bit far then? I'm all for antiracism but it seems a very vague complaint by OP to say "black and indigenous people aren't welcome here" while simultaneously having the shittest takes possible in this very thread.

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Op litteraly said white ppl shouldn’t be able to own land I think we already found the racist.

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This op is rly racist Imagine saying white ppl shouldn’t own land but bipoc should when what matters most is democratically managing land regardless of race.

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I don't actively participate in this community so I don't really know about the racism you are talking about, but your post history only makes me feel like you are a black supremacist.

Again I don't know about the racism that you have experienced but if I were American (for context: I am greek) I would definitely feel discriminated against if I were told by you that I shouldn't be able to own land.

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You are racist. Its that simple. Promoting Capitalist Agendas such as Multiculturalism and Race divides. Quite American though. Noticed that for Americans Is quite hard to think out of race or identities boundaries.

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Looking at your post history OP and I believe if you don't wanna be seen as black supremacist maybe you should stop making arguments as one

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existential1 wrote

😂

Almost makes me wonder if this dude is actually just a paid provocateur.

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CircleA OP wrote

Hey, you. Yes, you downvoting this. If you've ever wondered what whiteness is, look no further than the finger on your mouse.

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black_fox wrote

if we can't criticize the message based on who the messenger is then we've already lost the war.

lol

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black_fox wrote

I don't like it there. I get called a liberal all the time.

beautiful. put this quote on the sidebar of r/@

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GlangSnorrisson wrote

I remember reading a long list here a while back of “what’s wrong with r/@“. This seems a fine addition to that pile of garbage. Fuck.

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