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Defasher wrote (edited )

If they're urban yuppies, I guarantee the answer is no, even if they won't admit it. People are completely disconnected from the process that creates their food.

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theblackcat wrote (edited )

Lol I almost hope there's an anti-industrial revolution just so those people have to kill their own pigs.

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zod wrote

If they had to get their hands bloody every time they felt like chicken nuggets, meat consumption would fall like 95% I bet. It's a lot different dragging an animal to the block, and popping a microwave dinner in when you get home from work.

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bigOther wrote

Vegans - If you had to harvest your own soybeans, would you still eat soy products?

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ziq wrote (edited )

I don't eat soy products. But I grow what I do eat.

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23i wrote

are we talking about just slaughtering, or slaughtering and butchery? slaughtering is basically just stun and kill now afaik, so it's unskilled and therefore I'd perfectly be able to do that, so yeah. if you're talking about butchery, no as I have absolutely no training in that area at all.

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Alcoholic wrote

Carnist is an alienating slur

The correct term is Omnivore.

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BlackFlagged wrote

lol

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Alcoholic wrote

Really that type of "them vs us" turns a lot of potential vegans away. as a starting vegan myself the biggest obstacle by far was the community, you can call me enabling all you want but I'm only here because of other tactful vegans helping me along the way.

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theblackcat wrote

as far as insults go, it's very tame. Why would someone who eats meat be offended by it? They know they eat meat. They make no apologies for it.

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Alcoholic wrote

Offence is subjective. I don't call a gay person faggot I dont call a MTF a tranny.

Even though they both kind of work literally in a linguistic level. It's the intention that makes it different.

Carnist sound fucking evil and creepy. Who tf wants to be called a carnist? How will that win the hearts and minds of our omni friends and family? It won't it just makes them dislike vegans who call them that.

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ConquestOfToast wrote

Ok well let me know when someone is murdered right after being called a carnist. This is such a rediculous and frankly insulting comparison.

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Alcoholic wrote

Rehabilitation > punishment

You're right no one is required to do anything. Including be nice to animals. I do legitimize killing animals in a way that let's me accept what's happening now to prevent it in the future though a long term campaign of persuasion.

I'm here for objective results. I'm here to make a difference.

I'm not here to jerk off in my own good ethics while shutting off everyone else because I'm not doing this for me. I'm doing this for our animals and world.

Though logic and compassion And not through shame and anger

I know you don't like to hear it but this is and will be used against our community. As soon as someone posts this somewhere they're going to paint us all this way. With intolerance and overly emotional people and will even take it as a personal attack. Think of the big picture.

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kazahana wrote

They're nowhere near as common as people who don't, though, is the thing.

Though I suspect part of the difference is that a fair number of veg*ns have more difficulty handling meat by nature than carnists do. At least, part of my reason for switching initially was that I had started cooking and found I couldn't handle meat without freaking out a bit.

There are probably more people who would have that difficulty if they had to handle the killing and cleaning parts, too...

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kazahana wrote

one person harvesting enough for only one person to eat is pretty easy though

it's actually about the same amount of physical effort as preparing animal products, but much safer and less psychologically difficult

that is the angle of the question

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ziq wrote

I don't think this is about hunting. If people had to go out and hunt every time they wanted a steak, they'd be eating far less meat. Capitalism has turned meat into a staple food that everyone eats everyday. Where I'm from, only the rich ate meat. The rest of the people were lucky to eat meat once a year.

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ziq wrote

I think it's about making people realize what goes into making their meatloaf. If people had to hunt or raise the animals themselves, they wouldn't be so quick to eat meat everyday. It's a wasteful culture completely detached from reality.