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Should we own pets?

Submitted by veg in Vegan

If so, how should they be treated? Should they be allowed the risk of permanently wandering away from our homes? etc

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ziq wrote

Domestic animals come out of the woods and ask me for food, I give it to them. Me becoming their caregiver isn't really 'ownership' since they can go back into the woods at any time.

kinda wish they'd spend less time indoors in the winter tho, they all want to sleep on me.

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disfalo wrote

Wait, if they live in the woods they aren't domestic. You mean cats and dogs by domestic animals?

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ziq wrote

Cats are native to where I live, they've been here forever - the fossil records for domestic cats go back further here than anywhere in the world, meaning the domestic cat likely first originated here in ancient times.

Unlike dogs, cats domesticated themselves because forming bonds with humans was beneficial to them. All my cats were 2 week old wild kittens who were abandoned by their mothers and needed someone to feed them.

There's an adult cat that is currently trying to domesticate himself to me but my other cats won't let him. He keeps crying out to me but when I go outside he runs. He killed and ate both my pet chickens the other day, and then the very next night he was again crying for me to feed him. Cats are really entitled.

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Tequila_Wolf wrote

Unlike dogs, cats domesticated themselves because forming bonds with humans was beneficial to them. All my cats were 2 week old wild kittens who were abandoned by their mothers and needed someone to feed them.

There's a decent theory that dogs also domesticated themselves. Basically it goes that there were likely wolf packs that became parasitic on hunter-gatherer groups for scraps, and over time the less violent ones, the more human-friendly ones were tolerated and evolved into dogs that way.
Sounds pretty plausible to me, especially considering how hard it has been for people who have tried to breed wolves.

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bloodrose wrote

I got my cats before I went vegan. Now that I have them and they are accustomed to their way of life, I won't change that for them. However, when they pass, I will not have any pets again unless I have land and they are farm pets that are allowed free reign (like ducks who want to stay and eat bugs out of my garden but who would not be forced to stay).

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alex_ wrote (edited )

i'm fine with taking care of animals that need taking care of. "ownership" is not how i would describe it. breeding is definitely odd behavior.

i agree mostly with what zzuum said here

We definitely should not own non-domesticated animals. As for typical pets, I think that because they have relied on us for so long, we should take good care of them but phase out breeding them since they are overpopulated. I.e. fix every dog and cat so that they stop being so prevalent.

as far as spay/neuter i feel like that does intrude on their autonomy, however my cats are "fixed" and i'm not sure what a better solution is since i know cats can be considered an invasive species. maybe i'm over-thinking it

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veg wrote

what about non-cat-or-dog pets? smaller animals?

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ziq wrote (edited )

The best pets are ones that eat grass and weeds like tortoises and rabbits. They have zero carbon footprints as long as you live near fallow fields. A healthy ecosystem has far more herbivores than carnivores, but humans have killed all the wild herbivores and filled the wilds with domestic carnivores.

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ratbum wrote

Depends on the pets; I have rats and they don’t need that much space (though I give them far more than people recommend), and they don’t eat much, and what they do eat isn’t really problematic. Also, they’re pretty smart: https://youtu.be/SkQA_VV_sRY

Would recommend.

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TheLegendaryBirdMonster wrote

I should not own a pet. I'm a city dweller, live in a flat, and having animals here would be cruel.

Also I don't really like animal smell, which is unavoidable in small flats.

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zzuum wrote

We definitely should not own non-domesticated animals. As for typical pets, I think that because they have relied on us for so long, we should take good care of them but phase out breeding them since they are overpopulated. I.e. fix every dog and cat so that they stop being so prevalent.

Regardless, imo it's hard to say whether or not we should actually keep animals as pets. I can say with confidence that it is better for my community that I do keep my dog away from being "wild" because she is severely dog/other animal aggressive and would go out of her way to kill other animals. Therefore I do what I can to give her a good life while protecting hers and other animal lives.

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incendialhumano wrote

"Should" is an ethical consideration, right? I was against it, then ended up caretaking an orphaned kitten. Their parent was dead next to where they were found. Still against "owning" any "pets" though. My cat friend doesn't hunt, neither do I. She doesn't have a job...food is a commodity for her too..has to eat somehow...

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Freux wrote

I limit myself to rescued animals. If they go outside, I go with them. I'm more conflicted about their food but for selfish reasons I accept it.

I like seeing free roaming cats so that I can cuddle them but yeah not a great thing for other animals. I did see a cat chilling with birds which was interesting.

I think owning pets is more of case per case situation. There is no global right or wrong.

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Uproot wrote

I sometime feed crows and feral cats that lived around the hood, like to stop at our door. But otherwise I don't own pets.

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selver wrote

I don't see why not. I have a gecko, might get another reptile at some point.

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conseil wrote

Well, I'd say rescues and such certainly; the animal's around either way, and living with you is certainly better than leaving them wild to help destroy the local ecosystem. Just neuter them.

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flicker wrote (edited )

i don't like to use the words Own or Pet to describe my relationship with family members. i will say companion , friend or buddy and let them wander as much as they like, and the door open to let them back in. we are Their people.

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amongstclouds wrote

and let them wander as much as they like, and the door open to let them back in

In a recent study carried out on dogs in Chile, the authors said: "Conservationists in Chile and elsewhere see urgency in controlling the impact of free-ranging dogs on wildlife."

It found dog owners were not concerned about the issue and many allowed their pets to move freely in the wild.

"Predation and harassment by dogs has been documented for the majority of larger terrestrial mammals that inhabit Chile, including the three species of canids (mammals from the dog family) and three species of deer," Eduardo Silva-Rodriguez, one of the authors of the study, told the BBC.