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DeathToAmerica wrote

Yes. To pretend otherwise would be straight up speciesism. A bear mauling someone is survival instinct. Humans building machines to fuck cows so we can eat their babies is deliberate and perverse. Especially since humans don't need to eat meat.

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ziq wrote

Especially since humans don't need to eat meat.

That's really the root of the issue. Most people in the world eat meat out of indulgence, not need.

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theblackcat OP wrote

Are there really any exceptions? Who NEEDS to eat meat in this day and age?

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AlexanderReidRoss wrote

People that live in harsh climates where other food edible to humans doesn't grow, like places covered in snow and ice most of the year.

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Calistoga wrote

I don't like this argument. You can't apply that to everyone, everywhere. THings like environmental/climate factors alone will affect what food is locally available or reasonably produced, not to mention socioeconomic factors that put good, non-animal product foods out of reach or accessibility to cash poor people.

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nicholai wrote

I'm sorry, but if you live in a place that can't sustain nourishing foods, you are an idiot and you are destined to be malnourished. There is no such thing as " socioeconomic factors that put good, non-animal product foods out of reach or accessibility to cash poor people" - plants goes into animals too, and will always be the cheaper option, unless you literally live in arctic climates and rely on hunting primarily aquatic animals, but then please refer to my first sentence.

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sleepeejack wrote

I wouldn't be so quick to say that a bear mauling someone is survival instinct. It implies that animals cannot plan things, and have no sense of morality whatsoever, even one that is different from humans'. But animals can certainly plan even pretty complicated things, and many animals are capable of social/moral emotions like shame and empathy.

Have you ever seen the documentary Grizzly Man? spoilers One thing that stuck with me about it was that the man-eating bear had a very different malevolent reputation from the other bears. Even the grizzled old park ranger -- far from the hippie type -- said he believed that the bear in question was "bad".

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theblackcat OP wrote

But don't you see how all you're doing is alienating human rape survivors? They don't want their experience to be compared to a factory farm.

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DeathToAmerica wrote

I can see how it would do that and it's why I don't use the analogy myself, but I've been in slaughterhouses and in farms and I still have nightmares about the things I saw. Pretending that abuse is only abuse when it's done to humans isn't something that sits well with me.

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