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childeofentropy wrote

Same here. Since i almost eat pasta, veggies and legumes from local small markets and farmers, no. If you are into expensive packaged vegan products, then yes since they are imported niche goods and they charge high to make profit (exception of the later are some vegan cheese). Even for the bigger portions that i need as a vegan (to make up for calories and fat lost in regards to my previous diet), veganism here is still less expensive that eating the smaller portions of meat and dairy.

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mofongo wrote

Less expensive. A pound of meat costs me 2 hours of work, I can buy a uncook chicken for the same price. Fruits and vegetable costs fractions of the hour, and I could get them cheaper if I go to the farmer's market. I would need to haggle and the prime time for it clashes with work, so I rather not.

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Zzzxxxyyy wrote

Really depends. If I go try to shop Whole Foods or one of the other bougie stores in the area it’s far for expensive to eat “fresh” produce than shit processed carbs or meat. They charge a premium for healthy unprocessed food, because it’s actually food. But the down to earth “working class” grocery stores prices much more closely reflect the relative time/energy put into the products.

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thekraken wrote

Less expensive generally. I can buy enough dried beans, tinned tomatoes, TVP, spices, a 'extra' veggies (corn, tinned mushrooms, etc) to make Chili for a month for the cost of a couple of big steaks. The only time it gets expensive is if you buy a bunch of the processed pre-made stuff, like veggie burgers, or Daiya, or whatnot.

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retiredshared2 wrote (edited )

being vegan is a habit of the privileged. people that don't live in the west and aren't rich rely on meat, eggs, and dairy for nutrition because it is cheaper, there is no such thing as a vegan tribe either. there might be vegetarian tribes, but again, the vast majority eat meat because meat is concentrated nutrition. a cow, which has a rumen and several stomachs, can break down grass, whereas a human cannot.

humans can't digest raw vegetables easily. don't take my word for it, go ahead and try eating a lb of raw broccoli and kale and see how you feel. it seems veganism is mostly a bandwagon ideology. a lot of people seem to get into it because it's trendy and allows people to feel a sense of moral superiority. in the real world, people eat what they need to survive and be healthy.

being vegan is also not cost-effective, nutritious (unless carefully and meticulously planned, many people fail on vegan diets), and could actually be worse for the environment than just eating meat. As for harming animals, I see the ethical reasoning behind it, but seeing it as a superior way of life is where I see vegans taking their philosophy too extreme. we evolved by eating omniverously, and if it were up to vegans, we probably never would've evolved.

https://www.sciencealert.com/vegetarian-and-healthy-diets-may-actually-be-worse-for-the-environment-study-finds

in practice, it's much cheaper to eat a variety of foods, and not restrict, both economically and nutritionally. vegans do not get adequate b12, so they have to supplement, a luxury that never would've been available in prehistoric times. veganism in the West is a status symbol and not a practical way of life for most that can't afford the luxury of it. however, i respect people that commit to their philosophy and are able to pull it off and get all their nutrition and be healthy. it personally is not for me. nutritionally, it's difficult to get high quality protein from vegetable sources. beans are commonly references as superfoods in vegan circles, but beans are inflammatory and difficult to digest, and not high quality protein gram for gram. much of that protein on the package label will not be well-assimilated. dairy is one of the highest-quality sources of protein. one could avoid the ethical loophole of factory farming by buying and feeding their own cows / goats and drinking some of their milk (on sufficient land). same with chickens, and eating their eggs. if that is too much though (because i understand that's ethically wrong to some as well), the foods below are also good supplements to a vegan diet.

potatoes as well (well assimilated protein), so the vegans that are utilizing potatoes i think are smart on that point although the starch can be inflammatory for some. mushrooms recently have been studied as well for their high quality protein and nutritional density. boiled mushrooms make an excellent supplement to a vegan diet, because they are aromatase inhibitors and anti-inflammatory (white button mushrooms have been used to fight cancer), as well as being antibacterial (the fiber cleans the small intestine similar to a raw carrot). the reason you would boil mushrooms for an hour or two is to cook off the toxic compounds like hydrazine, which are toxic if you eat mushrooms in a large quantity raw.

fresh squeezed orange juice, which is anti-inflammatory and nutrient dense. a quart of fresh squeezed OJ contains the equivalent amount of acetylsalicylic acid as an aspirin.

the average person might need say 80-100 grams of protein for their liver to work properly. getting that level of high-quality protein as a vegan might mean eating lbs and lbs of squash, mushrooms, potatoes, etc. it's doable, just impractical, imo. if you just want to survive like a famine farmer, than protein requirements don't matter, but your mood will probably suffer.

the foods i've listed are cheap to buy, except for oranges, though you can buy oranges in bulk and juice your own. all of these foods you can also grow yourself if you have a large enough garden.