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Infinity wrote (edited )

This is a good book on b12 as well as an interview with the author of the book. This book was really popular on the vegan forums years ago.

I suppliment with B12 injections. I have been doing this for a couple years. You don't have to be vegan to be deficient in B12. Most people are deficient because our world itself is deficient in many resources. They inject animals with methylcobal b12 vitamin.

There are two kinds of injections just like there are two kinds of pill b12s: methylcobal and cyanocobal. I take methylcobal. B12 deficiency is worse if you have any kind of history of drug use, alcohol, some people even say caffeine, even stress is known to lower stores of B12. The book explains how the symptoms of a deficiency range from depression, lack of energy, lethargy, grumpiness, all sorts of things.

When I first started supplementing with B12 (injections) I noticed it right away. My brain works better, my memory has improved, my moods are better. Slowly over time, it gets better. Perhaps this is a placebo. The mind is a powerful drug. I'm very sensitive to everything I put into my body. Supplementing B12 has helped me bury a love affair with the dark crystal devil. At the beginning, I was supplementing every day. Over time you don't need it as much. I find that my body seems to tell me when I should supplement, but I have no legitimate method of measuring this. It's a guessing game based on my physical feelings and my own logic which can only be so objective if at all.

This is what I use. I have used many other forms of B12, but this is the only kind that I have noticed anything at all. Do you think this is mined in Congo?

I don't necessarily take the b12 because I'm afraid of being deficient in a specific nutrient. The top reason I take it at all is that it makes me feel better, happier, and smarter, which makes me feel better about myself. I focus more on the psychological aspects of this vitamin vs the nutritional aspects of supplementation. The other supplements I take like calcium, multivitamin, vitamin D are for nutritional concerns. I don't feel them like I feel the B12. I have not taken them very long either. I'm not even sure if they do anything. I'm not that big of an advocate of supplementation. I don't know very much about it. I'm enthusiastic about the B12. It's helped me so much especially regarding cognitive function. A lot of other people who I have given it to say they don't notice a difference at all. A lot of vegans online who do the same injections say they do notice a huge difference. I can only speak for myself. It was especially helpful during the beginning stages of recovery, and I think that they should give people shots in hospitals, clinics, places where people go through detox, ect.

B12 regulations, as well as other regulations on what constitutes as a healthy range, keep widening in the medical fields. Also, they are different country to country. For example in Japan, minimum recommended blood levels of B12, 500 pg/ml are more than twice the minimum acceptable levels in the U.S., 200 pg/ml. There is no universal consensus of what constitutes as normal levels of B12. This is a water soluble vitamin so the good news is that any excess you get comes out in the urine.


Tequila_Wolf OP wrote

Do you think this is mined in Congo?

I don't know, but given how much of the world's cobalt comes from there, it seems quite likely. It'd get hoarded out of the country in its raw form, perhaps to china, then refined into an ingredient (I think cobyric acid), then sent somewhere else probably to make the vitamin, then that's packaged and sent to the company that then distributes it where you are. This is the point I'm trying to get people to engage on.