Submitted by lettuceLeafer in Vegan

Also unrelated rant damn being vegan is hard. So I have been eating heavily on peanut butter bc lazy. So for a while I would eat the natural kind of peanut butter which didn't have hydrogenated vegetable oil. So I then learned about sugar being nonvegan. But then later I learn that fully hydrogenated vegtable oil isn't that harmful like partial hydrogenation. So I go back to regular peanut butter bc it tastes better and is way cheaper. So I stock up on PB but then remember fuck sugar isn't vegan. God damn

Then yesterday I went on a walk to go buy some food. I had stocked up on lot of nuts and peanut but I wanted some more yummy carbs. So as i was shopping I was looking for the most economical carb that I didn't have to cook. It ended up buying some generic brand cornflakes. Then when I get home I realize fuck, its fortified with vitamin D which in most cases isn't vegan shit.

I saw my brother yesterday too. he bought some french fries that no one was going to eat so he was just gonna toss them so I ate it. Which in fairness is fine but then later i realized oh yeah most fast food ries aren't vegan bc they add milk. Which sure I think eating animal products that would be thrown away is better than buying food but I honestly don't like it much tho I feel its better to eat the thrown away frood that new food. Tho tbh I can't stomach eating any animal products straight. I can only handle stuff that its like milk powder or whatever.

I still think about something I did a year ago and cringe and feel bad. So i met two cool people who were really nice to me and I wanted them to like me. So they offered me to try some bread they made. And I thought yeah bread i should be fine. So then when I get it its just fucking slathered in butter. And then one of them asks. Oh no, aren't you vegan I'm so sorry. And I just am too anxious and don't wanna make a scene or be rude to people who have been so nice. So i just painfully eat this bread and just die inside.

So every time I eat a animal product on accident I just remember me doing that and just become very uncomfortable and think about how I'm such a fucking scum bag people please.

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capitan wrote (edited )

Is there no nut butter available that is free of sugar and added oils? My peanut butter just says peanuts on the ingredients list (hopefully they aren't lying).

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lettuceLeafer OP wrote

Oh yeah there is. Its just basically double the price. Tho the grocery store I go to know doesn't have it. you can tell if its just peanuts nut butter if the oil seperates from the butter and often times its in glass bc the oil leaks through the plastic.

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moonlune wrote

Iirc in the USofA it's hard to find "real" food for cheap. Everything's been tampered with, especially in a so-called food desert.

I made my own peanut butter from raw peanuts for a while because we couldn't find good peanut butter for an affordable price, in the EU.

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moonlune wrote (edited )

How close is your closest shop? Do you eat stuff from tin cans or fresh? How often do you eat rice and beans?

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lettuceLeafer OP wrote

Its a little less than a mile away. Its like a knock off aldis. Its like a 20 minute walk through a residential nieghborhood then crossing a bussy street with a crosswalk. I don't eat rice and beans anymore due to carrying a pressurecooker or rice cooker uses way too much weight to move every month. Otherwise I would eat rice and beans a lot.

Right now my diet is mostly limited by me being lazy and incredibly cheap to compensate with ridiculous housing costs. My diet would be way more varied otherwise. My staples are eating nuts or nut butters. So almonds, peanuts, and peanut butter for protein and fat. Then eating oats raw, and then other processed carbs like chips. Then I take a vegan multivitamin. Honestly I miss eating a ton of fiber. I only eat like 20 - 25 a day atm. They even have almond and soymilk. If you wanted to eat whole food vegan it would be not to bad honestly. They got a couple kinds of legumes canned and dried, rice, fruit and veg fresh, canned and frozen.

Most of the times when people talk about limited options food deserts is when people are buying from a convince store. which is silly now and days becausue wallmart literally has unlimited delivery for 12 dollars a moth which would easily be saved by not buying food from a convenience store.

But like I said I'm vegan and I don't even cook atm so its pretty easy.

Though if I wasn't such a cheapscate I would buyu some of the fresh or frozen vegtables and fruit, and maybe buy some canned stuff.

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moonlune wrote (edited )

OH SHIT I LIVE a 15 minutes walk away from the closest store/baker, am I in a food desert? There are buses though, and most of my neighbors have a car I'm the only one walking to get bread lol

canned is cheaper than frozen, which is cheaper than fresh around here.

canned lentils + canned beans + canned chickpeas + canned corn + oil + vinegar makes for a great cheap lazy 3 meals salad (plus you get a healthy 20 minute workout).

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lettuceLeafer OP wrote

in american a food desert means a grocery store is half a mile away from you in a urban area. Which is why in most cases its just a ridiculous that it would stop u from being vegan.

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moonlune wrote (edited )

Yeah I don't know how to count in miles so it was kinda nebulous until now lmao food deserts as described now are funny. It is annoying to walk to the store and back so my flatmate bikes to the shop (which takes him 15 min total) and I've started baking my own bread

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rot wrote

its fortified with vitamin D which in most cases isn't vegan shit.

huh i didnt know this

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lettuceLeafer OP wrote

actually in this case I was being overly paranoid. Most of the soymillk arround here is fortified with vitamin d2 which is vegan. Though D3 the nonvegan kind is just listed as vitamin d. So seeing that the soymilk was fortified with vitamin D I jumped the gun a bit. Tho then again my assumption was right because the soy milk has cane sugar in it. So again I had every right to be paranoid lol. So I think stuff like unsweetened silk soy milk would be vegan. But tbh processed shit is just so had to know I just should stop bothering at this point.

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zoom_zip wrote

wait don’t you like slaughter animals on the daily or something?

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lettuceLeafer OP wrote

nah i quit

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zoom_zip wrote

what prompted you to quit

since it didn’t seem like you cared much about it before

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lettuceLeafer OP wrote

my mom has been taking care of my brother well so I didn't feel the need to keep with it to support him. So that was the big one that I felt like I had to stick arround and support it to take care of my younger brother. So that stopped being an issue. Then the other reason was I felt obligated to help as they have helped me out a lot in the past and it would be wrong to not help someone who has done a ton for you. Well anyway I had been having disagreements over beating the animals for no good reason mainly just bc they are pissed off and just take it out on a random cow. Well i thought I had swung my weight around enough to get them to cut that shit out. Well one day they did that shit again so i just told them I was done and decided I didn't owe them shit if they can't even do that and then they protested and told me how ridiculous I am.

So I basically cut them all out of my life that day and just moved out and told them all to go fuck themself.

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lentils wrote

I then learned about sugar being nonvegan.

Do you avoid all products with sugar?

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lettuceLeafer OP wrote

I think its the correct way to be vegan unless u are buying specifically vegan sugar. Tho at the moment I still am getting used to transitioning it out of my diet bc I'm used to thinking its vegan. So soon hopefully.

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asterism wrote

The thing that is throwing me off atm is how much I am willing to trust a company. Like take soda for example. Coca-cola claims the vast majority of their drinks are vegan. But Coca-cola lies about shit all the time and they aren't being compelled to tell the truth on this in anyway and there would likely be very little consequences for them if they are lying.

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lentils wrote

Ah. I should probably do the same then.

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lettuceLeafer OP wrote

Well it depends. You country might not be wierd with how it makes sugar. But at least in the US people have an obsession with white things (wonder why) so cane sugar gets bleached with bones to be vegan. Tho if you really wanna dig into production n stuff you can find out if most sugar is vegan or not where u live.

And of course this is where veganism starts to be in the grey area of splitting hairs. Many vegans don't bother but its really up to u.

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lentils wrote

Well I live in the UK. I might be wrong but I think there are fairly strict laws on correct labelling here so hopefully anything specifically labelled as vegan has actually vegan sugar.

But I agree with asterism’s point that companies aren’t very trustworthy.

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lettuceLeafer OP wrote

Alright whos ready for their new spanish lesson. What to do at the restaurant.

No comer la carne, que perro muy delicioso. Gatto poco delicioso, las sangre de perro es fantastico.

if they ask you to elaborate just say

lo siento, me espanol muy mal.

I find this particularly funny bc people new to languages often don't make jokes and get words confused. So if ur bad at spanish people won't think ur joking or maybe just thinking of the wrong words. But like its not something you would accidentally say. And then u just won't elaborate.

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tuesday wrote

this is not good spanish.

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lettuceLeafer OP wrote (edited )

well yeah ovi. I don't think anyone would claim it is good spanish

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