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Passive_Nihlist wrote

What does this argument have to do with Veganism?

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whipskid wrote

We've chosen to grow plant food at scale just to feed a massive population of livestock whose lives we do not care for at all (evident by the living conditions we subject them to) just so that we can then eat the depressed animals ourselves. Their flesh contains way less energy than the calories in the feed which we fueled them with.

If we had just invested our energy into growing a variety of plant food for ourselves we wouldn't be using so much land, water, energy resources just to keep a population of billions of depressed and abused animals fed and fattened with soy and grains.

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whipskid wrote

Livestock are the unnecessary middleman we should cut them out. If we just went straight to the source (plants) for our food we wouldn't be wasting our own resources running factory farms and growing more soy than even 10 billion vegans would need.

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moonlune wrote

I'm a supervegan, I feed myself via photosynthesis. No middlemen, I get my energy directly from the sun!

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Passive_Nihlist wrote

Ah okay. Could the same not be said of agriculture though? We have cut down forests and destroyed the ecosystems within to grow crops in line purely for human consumption instead of it existing within an ecosystem.

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existential1 OP wrote

Yes! If you've read some of my other posts, you'd know I'm very anti-agriculture. It inherently leads to archy.

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Passive_Nihlist wrote

Ah okay, I've just always thought of that sort of anti-agriculture position as a non/anti vegan position.

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existential1 OP wrote

I would agree that they're not the same thing. They don't necessarily conflict...but they would for probably the majority of vegans who just want to eat plants(tm).

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