Submitted by existential1 in Vegan (edited )

"Aye bro, why you sitting there using the middle man to get your shit? You know he takes a cut off the top? You gotta go straight to the source. You just giving away your cut to some nobody that you dont even need. You gonna let 'em leech off of you like that? You trippin."

This was inspired by listening to a clip of an interview about rappers owning their own labels.

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Fool wrote

Well I don't think it's really much of an argument though, at least where I am, there's groups you can join to collectively buy "products" straight from the farmers, or you can buy it yourself, if you use that much.

In this vein, I also know a few people who are mostly vegan, but will eat eggs from the chickens that they look after, so using your methods, but not vegan (buys vegan, but is vegetarian).

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existential1 OP wrote

The take was as /u/whipskid noted in the other comment thread, the chickens would be the "middle man" in this scenario you're painting. That says nothing of the other ethical issues that wouldn't pass the regular vegan filter as it regards raising chickens or eating their eggs.

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Fool wrote

Ah! Got it!

Take out All the "middle men".

No more animals -> vegan
No more plants -> photosynthesis
No more sun -> internal fusion
No more fusion -> dark matter singularity (black hole)

"you're not truely a free individual if you aren't a singularity"

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emoticons wrote

No more individual -> ???

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Fool wrote

I was going to continue with a "big bang" so we could eventually loop back to the beginning, but I thought a singularity is basically the epitome of "self sufficient individual".

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emoticons wrote

No more dark matter singularity (black hole) -> fusion
No more internal fusion -> sun
No more photosynthesis -> plants
No more vegan -> animals
No more self sufficient individual -> big bang

:^)

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Passive_Nihlist wrote

What does this argument have to do with Veganism?

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whipskid wrote

We've chosen to grow plant food at scale just to feed a massive population of livestock whose lives we do not care for at all (evident by the living conditions we subject them to) just so that we can then eat the depressed animals ourselves. Their flesh contains way less energy than the calories in the feed which we fueled them with.

If we had just invested our energy into growing a variety of plant food for ourselves we wouldn't be using so much land, water, energy resources just to keep a population of billions of depressed and abused animals fed and fattened with soy and grains.

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whipskid wrote

Livestock are the unnecessary middleman we should cut them out. If we just went straight to the source (plants) for our food we wouldn't be wasting our own resources running factory farms and growing more soy than even 10 billion vegans would need.

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moonlune wrote

I'm a supervegan, I feed myself via photosynthesis. No middlemen, I get my energy directly from the sun!

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Passive_Nihlist wrote

Ah okay. Could the same not be said of agriculture though? We have cut down forests and destroyed the ecosystems within to grow crops in line purely for human consumption instead of it existing within an ecosystem.

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existential1 OP wrote

Yes! If you've read some of my other posts, you'd know I'm very anti-agriculture. It inherently leads to archy.

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Passive_Nihlist wrote

Ah okay, I've just always thought of that sort of anti-agriculture position as a non/anti vegan position.

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existential1 OP wrote

I would agree that they're not the same thing. They don't necessarily conflict...but they would for probably the majority of vegans who just want to eat plants(tm).

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