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celebratedrecluse wrote

Does it? No, it nearly never means "I will attack the infrastructure of death, burning the prisons of all with my gang of merry thieves."

It means, "I will pick the lesser evil at the supermarket, and feel superior to others for my dollar-vote. i also may do some graffiti about it, or write a song."

Can we move beyond this sophomoric nonsense? If there's a need to exaggerate individual consumption choices into a politics, we have a number of problems, beginning with consumption and ending with politics. If you have food-- eat it, or don't, but this calvinist bullshit is incredibly condescending to...anyone who's been hungry involuntarily? Anyone who has had to use hunger strikes as a form of resistance while incarcerated? Anyone who doesn't have the luxury of imagining a struggle into being, who instead has enough conflicts in their daily life already? These all seem like people who I don't see the purpose in alienating as broad groups, for the benefit that is offer. What, internal cohesion and validation in this walled-off subculture? Do we even need that, yikes! In what way does veganism present a material challenge to carnism? What is advantage to framing participation in a violent agricultural system, as "#resistance"? If this is about feeling good, not doing good, well, what the fuck everyone?

I fully expect to be the only one commenting who feels like this, and that's fine by me. A lot of you want to talk big about nihilism and being opposed to morality, until it's your turn. Perhaps that can be your food for thought. We have recently had a great discussion on this general topic, but it was from someone who is subculturally easy for you all to dismiss due to the type of interests and social groups you have. Now it is a flattering perspective and...it like that never happened. This iteration of self-righteousness is a poison to possibility.

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Pax OP wrote

Does it?

I understand the article to be working to challenge the dominant meaning of vegan, which you address.

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Bezotcovschina wrote

I fully expect to be the only one commenting who feels like this, and that's fine by me. A lot of you want to talk big about nihilism and being opposed to morality, until it's your turn.

I don't understand what are you talking about here, sorry. As far as I can tell, most of the comments here are generally critical to the article.

As for me, I'm completely with you on this topic. To be fair, I've only started to practice "veganism" very recently. And, yeah, that's "supermarket veganism". I'm not sure exactly why I decided to try it. Just so. I don't think I need any theory behind that or desire to make some impact. Just because I want to try it. And, interesting enough, I find it very helpful to deal with my alcoholism - as I go past shelves with "animal products" in a store the same way I go past shelves with alcohol, despite me kinda wanting to buy both.

If someone will offer me a meat when I'm hungry - I will eat it without much hesitation.

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kin wrote

I came late for the vegan debate.. but the alcohol tho, rough stuff, even the "beer" may be vegan kosher as far the ingredients and industrial process goes but they might sponsor Rodeos or other shitty stuff or overtly misogynistic ads.

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