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ladyanarchist wrote

I work at a veterinarian diagnostic laboratory and this is just wrong. Dogs cannot live on a vegan diet.

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bmrgould01 wrote

Bramble, a 27-year-old border collie whose vegan diet of rice, lentils, and organic vegetables earned her consideration by the Guinness Book of World Records as the world’s oldest living dog in 2002. Studies have shown that the ailments associated with meat consumption in humans, such as allergies, cancer, and kidney, heart, and bone problems, also affect many nonhumans

https://www.peta.org/living/companion-animals/vegetarian-cats-dogs/

Dogs are are not obligate carnivores.

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ladyanarchist wrote

I'm looking for another source other than PETA here...

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ladyanarchist wrote

Why am I being downvoted for questioning a powerful lobby/organization ?

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ladyanarchist wrote

A web search corroborates the story from a number of questionable sources. I'm still looking for the guinness book of world records source. It just looks like a meme that's be reposted a ton of times.

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Naokotani wrote

I have personally known old dogs that ate a vegan diet. I knew dogs that ate only coconuts and bananas, which is the only thing their owner ate. Sometimes I like to use reality as a source.

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ziq wrote (edited )

My dog is 14 and she eats dates everyday.

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ladyanarchist wrote (edited )

Thank you for finding the study, but this is only a study of 12 dogs (n=12) of one type of dog (Siberian Husky) for only 16 weeks. Not very conclusive at all.

Basically more studies need to be done!

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ziq wrote (edited )

There are strays all over the place where I live, they follow people around wanting to be taken home. Someone has to take care of them.

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sudo wrote

A few years ago, I thought I heard a kid crying for their mother outside my apartment. I went out to see what was going on, and it turns out it's a cat meowling, not a kid. I called it over to me, and it hesitated at first, but eventually came over, and let me pet it. I went back in to get it some food and water, since it seemed to be in poor shape. It ate the food and drank the water, then scratched and meowed at the front door, indicating it wanted to go in. I didn't let it in, because I didn't want to have another pet at that time, and because I noticed it was missing a piece of its left ear (this is a sign the cat has been spayed, so I thought it must be someone else's cat). But every day afterwards, it showed up at my door for food and water, and asked to be let in. Eventually, I decided that its needs were more important, so I let her in, and she's stayed with me since then.

The point is, there are some animals who prefer to live with humans than to live on their own in the wild. You're correct that pets aren't our property, but saying that people shouldn't have pets is wrong. If the pet consents to living with a human, then it's fine.

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sudo wrote

Other animals can't consent to us owning them.

I'm not talking about ownership. I'm talking about living together.

They only seem happy because they were conditioned - brainwashed

On an individual level? How?

and because of their history of eugenics making them docile.

Eugenics is deliberate - this was natural selection. But regardless of how cats and dogs came into a mutualistic relationship with humans, the fact remains that they are in a mutualistic relationship with us. We provide them the basic needs of life and some happiness, and they provide us happiness in return. Would you break that relationship, thus forcing domesticated animals back into the wild where life would be much harder for them, just because you object to the way the relationship began? Even if a atrocities were committed to bring about domestication (which they weren't), you'd be committing another atrocity by abandoning domesticated animals, and forcing them into an environment they're not adapted to.

This idea that animals can consent can be used to justify bestiality or carnism; are you sure you want to use that argument?

But I am not using it to argue for those things. If I did argue for those things, I would be wrong, because animals can't consent to sex with humans, or consent to being eaten. They can consent to living with humans - I've seen it firsthand. There is no reason to believe that living with animals will lead to bestiality or carnism - to say that it will is a slippery slope fallacy.

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4t0m wrote

My rats are all vegan. My cats are not. :(

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_ziq_ wrote

Yes. I feed my pets the bourgeoisie.

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tnstaec wrote

Humans are scavengers. We can eat almost anything. Most other animals, including our companion species, are not so lucky.

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ConquestOfToast wrote

Dogs aren't obligate carnivores, and some cats can be vegan with supplements. But you'd have to talk to a knowledgeable vet to make sure they're taken care of correctly. Got a friend who's cat has been vegan for 7 years and is one of the healthiest animals the vet has seen.

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ConquestOfToast wrote

You also have to take into consideration what domestication does to animals after a significant period of time. Technology available to provides a lot of options to care for animals that wasn't available before. You also have to understand that the meat they put in pet food is not the quality or what those animals would eat even in nature.

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goatman93 wrote

I think it's better and safer to just match what they would eat in the wild, as closely as you can with the resources you have. At the end of the day you're taking care of a living being that has needs of their own that is entirely dependent on you and entirely separate from your diet and political leanings.

Dogs are basically garbage dumpsters and can eat whatever you give them as mentioned earlier in this thread, but it's my understanding that cats must eat meat in some way or form. You can try to provide them a "better" meat solution (which is pretty much anything that isn't chicken) to lessen the reliance from you to the meat industry. Hopefully this gets better as advancements are made with artificially creating foods that are chemically identical to the natural counterparts.