Chairman_Meh wrote on October 29, 2022 at 3:12 AM

Reply to comment by zephyr in Voters Don’t Think Either Party Deserves To Govern by NoPotatoes

Business Plot and Civil War are feeling a bit slighted.

Also by virtue of the system itself for the last ever years the 2 party bias for our electoral system and the virtually unrestricted protectionism, cronyism, and moneyed interest of those two parties (Of which there is very little real oversight or attention paid to, especially for non-presidential elections) we are presented with only the candidates approved by those groups, and not the people themselves. The dichotomies given the most attention are performative and false. Oh the people giving the speeches are very impassioned and may even themselves feel that they are making a difference, but their presence and influence is accounted for and counted as "acceptable protest".

The system itself is the problem, and no one at all is going to make the necessary changes from within that system. They can't and their very willingness to engage within it shows their limits of desire to. They're there to add an air of legitimacy and illusion of choice.

Chairman_Meh wrote on October 29, 2022 at 3:17 AM

TL;DR, feel free to go pull the lever and get the sticker, but please avoid perpetuating the idea that we're doing anything more than taking some time to wander down and see how the old church hall, school gym, courthouse, etc is getting on.

Also most of the 'violent takeovers,' fascist in name or just in deed, historically did so in contravention of the local election results, didn't they?

zephyr wrote on October 30, 2022 at 3:06 AM

i don't know the history of violent takeovers but it makes sense that if fascists won the election they would not have to engage in a violent takeover. hence violent takeovers would only occur when they lost. and if they lost and attempted a takeover, that would not necessarily mean they would succeed. historically how often has that happened? i'm not a historian and i don't know. but it seems much easier to come to power by being voted in than to have to resort to violence which would not necessarily succeed.

zephyr wrote on November 1, 2022 at 4:04 AM

i don't know what the business plot is but the u.s. civil war wasn't an attempt to overthrow the government or the constitution. it was an attempt to secede.