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lettuceLeafer wrote

Id prefer raddle not get shut down by the authorities bc users are doing murder advocacy. Not criticizing but trying to politely voice this pretty important concern..

/u/ziq (just in case this doesn't get edited. So u can make a decision on if it stays or not)

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halfway_prince wrote

is this a rule on the site?

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moonlune wrote (edited )

Don't self snitch before or after doing something. It's raddle etiquette but not part of the TOS.

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moonlune wrote

Sorry no you aren't. It's the closest one I could think of. ☺️🀐🀐

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lettuceLeafer wrote

No I'm talking about legality. Anarchist sites have been taken down for less by law enforcement

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metocin wrote

Is it somehow better to validate them and let them go free so they can murder another innocent racialized person?

Are we supposed to want the worst of our society to face no consequences for their actions just because we are against the carceral state?

C'mon. There should be a better alternative, but I don't think there currently is one.

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NoPotatoes OP wrote

C'mon. There should be a better alternative, but I don't think there currently is one.

I am surprised to see an absence of imagination.

Some alternative suggestions:

  • forfeiture of state protection. they would walk free, yes, but lots of people around them would also be free to take their land or life. they would be unable to "legally" own property or sue anybody in a court. no drivers license. no access to {air,train,sea} ports, et cetera.
  • donation to the ocean. drop them off at point nemo. a death sentence? effectively yes. but it is also a donation, to the pacific ocean. pacifists should be happy with that.
  • solitary confinement. i personally think this is one of the most cruel options. but at least they could no longer assault or murder anybody.
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metocin wrote

The first two are not legally possible in the US justice system. The third is not even arguing against what I said, that's a part of the carceral system.

My point is that there isn't a better legal option to deal with situations like this, and neither you nor lettuceLeafer have offered an alternative that is legally possible. I said there should be a better alternative, but right now one does not exist.

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lettuceLeafer wrote

I did suggest a better alternative not incarceration the killers or a timeline where they were declared not guilty. Literally doing nothing is less harmful than the current solution. No matter the circumstance the US justice system declaring someone not guilty over guilty is better.

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metocin wrote

Again, "literally doing nothing" would only validate the killers and encourage them to do it again. "Literally doing nothing" isn't an alternative if you're assuming they will kill racialized folks in prison without punishment because that's exactly what they will do outside of it if they face 0 consequences. If they face consequences outside prison for killing a racialized person then we can assume they would face similar consequences for doing it (or attempting to) on the inside.

I would love to see you make this argument to the family of a victim of these crimes or to literally any racialized person in the US. The mental gymnastics you have to do to think a white supremacist murderer walking free is based is absolutely incredible.

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lettuceLeafer wrote

Yes there actually is a better alternative to putting some black people and some white supremacists in a cage and having the white supremacists hate crime the minorities to death. Not doing that.

I'm not sure why u like having white supremacists kill black people in a messed up death cage better than white supremacists killing black people who actually have some degree of ability to defend themself or hide.

Also making it easier for people who like to kill black people to do hate crimes isn't much of consequence for killing a black person

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metocin wrote

Yeah, good question. Also, they just repeated themselves without actually answering me and offering a possible alternative.

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