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celebratedrecluse wrote

I will say tho, this article is liberal nonsense weaponized to denigrate the least shitty candidate in the running for USA. There are much better reasons to be criticizing bernard than what is listed here, which with a few exceptions are shallow and petty greivances I expect from the sycophantic media class (a presidential candidate responded to their opponents' state of the union? Wow how awful lol). Seriously, fuck this author.

That said, i would be shocked if a bernard presidency didnt need to be vigorously opposed on foreign and immigration policy. I dont trust bernard to address those issues in a genuinely radical way.

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An_Old_Big_Tree wrote (edited )

Does anybody know any leftist or anarchist bernie takedowns? This one is ok as a liberal critique of liberals but it does nothing by way of systemic stuff. They also describe his policies as socialist, which :/

I'm going to read A Socialist Case Against Bernie and Black Rose Federation's Do All Organizing Roads Lead to Bernie? in case they are any good. It would be nice to have something incisive.

Also, does voting even fucking mean anything at all when there is an electoral college in the US.

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NeoliberalismKills wrote

It "matters" in a handful of so-called swing states. Otherwise it's utterly meaningless.

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An_Old_Big_Tree wrote

Doesn't the mediation by the electoral college make it completely meaningless in the US?

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enforcedcompliance wrote

This is something a lot of people in the US totally forget. Hillary won the popular vote and we get Trump. Same thing with Al Gore in 2000 as well as 1888 and 1867. Especially in 2016, Trump was always going to 'win,' no matter what happened imo.

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An_Old_Big_Tree wrote

Yeah it regularly confuses the shit out of me that US people just seem to ignore this all the time.

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enforcedcompliance wrote

It's a mixture of blind faith in federalism and the desire to feel like 'at least I'm doing SOMETHING!'

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kore wrote

ignore

I think "ignorant" is a better word lol

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kore wrote

Especially in 2016, Trump was always going to 'win,' no matter what happened imo.

On what basis do you say this? I'm not saying US Elections are free and fair by any means, but do you think there was blatant election fixing?

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enforcedcompliance wrote (edited )

Okay, it's a little conspiratorial, I know, but I think the two-party system is nothing more than a spectacle that keeps folks playing the upper classes game. There is no way any one of these parties (or any party) could be allowed to put someone up that would hurt the status quo. The rich are just helping the rich stay rich and in power.

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celebratedrecluse wrote

Bernie should be the farthest right candidate in USA 2020, but still he is the farthest left. Speaks volumes

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