Submitted by foggymorn in TrollDissection (edited )

Concern troll:

In an argument (usually a political debate), a concern troll is someone who is on one side of the discussion, but pretends to be a supporter of the other side with "concerns". The idea behind this is that your opponents will take your arguments more seriously if they think you're an ally.

A concern troll visits sites of an opposing ideology and offers advice on how they could "improve" things, either in their tactical use of rhetoric, site rules, or with more philosophical consistency. The "improvements" are almost exclusively intended to be less effective.

A typical formulation might involve the troll's invocation of a site's espoused ideals alongside a perceived example of hypocrisy (such as contrasting "we value free speech" with the banning of a "dissenter"), and with a call for some relevant reform by the troll. This reform will frequently be burdensome or silly - the concern troll's message is: "I have some concerns about your methods. If you did these things to make your message less effective, it would be more effective."

Here we can see mouse concern trolling by framing a woman he was abusing as being the real abuser: or

Here we can see mouse trying to blame raddle's culture for his own abuse: or

Even going as far as to blame people for being oppressed by him ("raddle has made me a nervous wreck") and claiming we are all pushing him away from anarchism and ruining his experience.

Then after a long 'absence' apparently spent stalking the admins, he decides to voice more concerns he has about the viability of the community because of possible alt-accounts: or

And is then promptly exposed for using alts to troll.



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foggymorn OP wrote (edited )

He's perpetually angered that everyone on raddle won't change to suit his oppressive attitudes. Attacks the culture of raddle, claiming it's divisive, rather than try to change his problematic views.

Here he even claims he's not capable of oppression because he's overweight: or

Here he uses the word 'TERF' to attack someone who is trans: or


mofongo wrote

I didn't know that green thread had gotten so bad. I would have proposed a ban sooner.


GaldraChevaliere wrote

Should we add Betterletter to the list of alts? Near identical profile, behaviors and writing style, and the same axe to grind.


bloodrose wrote

We get some crap here on raddle for being pro-primitivism but I think those who are inclined to attack primitivism and the ways in which they attack are more telling of them than of raddle. I feel like there is a certain amount of fear of egalitarianism that fuels a strong hatred of primitivism. While there is a lot of reasonable critique and discussions available to an imperfect philosophy, those discussions can be had in a very reasonable manner. The people that shout "primmie" and "go die at 25" are people who aren't willing to engage in a discourse because of some level of fear, I think. So when mouse started attacking green anarchy and later primitivism, I think it let us see his true colors as much as his attacks on poor GaldraChevaliere did.


ziq wrote

Absolutely. It's all about fear. No different than liberals that freak out when someone mentions anarchy and start yelling 'Somalia!' or whatever.


mouse wrote

Everything I said to Galdra was bad. It wasnt my intention to troll, I actually did have concerns, I was uneducated.

But I'm not a troll. I tried to come back with u/curious to start over, because I do enjoy some of raddle, but got caught in the same shit. And hey, yeah, I made a second account, but you have like 5 and they're all active at the same time. Jesus


bloodrose wrote

But you didn't start over. You did exactly the same things on the new alt. You didn't understand at all what the problem was and just did the same stuff. You're reading this post so clearly you have been given the information of what was wrong and just dismissed it.


ziq wrote

Who gives a shit if you're a "troll" like that even means anything? You're a phoney.