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DarkArmillary wrote

I agree that context can change things. And the terms often are interrelated, for a variety of reasons, some important and some not. But the distinction between "sex" and "gender" as terms and concepts can still be made. For instance, the spectrum of a biological context will be different than the spectrum of the social context.

Conflating terms leads to muddled understanding, because it can quickly become unclear what exactly is being discussed, and why.

Making a distinction between sex and gender is the philosophical move (developed by feminists), that allows us to reject gender essentialism, and patriarchally-dictated gender roles.



debored wrote (edited )

A recent post on here about this topic: Gender as Told by Science.

The link you shared even has some of the objections under "3.2 Is sex classification solely a matter of biology?", "3.3 Are sex and gender distinct?", and "3.4 Is the sex/gender distinction useful?" Worth a read for you ;)


Tequila_Wolf OP wrote

I still disagree with you, probably for reasons that debored linked to.

Explaining sex and gender as distinct seems useful to me only as a heuristic in specific contexts. Mostly just when talking with (cis) people who need their hand held through every part of the process.


DarkArmillary wrote

It's not merely my opinion, as the link I shared demonstrated. It's a rather fundamental component that underpins much of Feminist thought and praxis. Though you are of course free to disagree for whatever reasons you probably want to.

For every philosophical topic, there will be objections and differing opinions. This is especially true for things like social constructs. One's conception of gender is going to be largely based on their own existence and experience; so it's okay if people don't agree 100% (only authoritarians want that anyway).

I personally find more clarity and validity, and therefore agree more, with the arguments that say the sex/gender distinction is useful, particularly when considering feminist aims. Without at least acknowledging this distinction, certain patriarchal lines of thought tend to remain unchecked and unchallenged. Isn't it better to counter oppressive ways of thinking in as many ways as possible, from as many angles as possible? Objections and criticisms are to be expected for any idea offered up into the public realm; that doesn't mean we should discard what many consider to be a fundamental aspect of Feminist theory.


L0rdEMPRESS_GaLaXyBrAiN wrote (edited )

It's not merely my opinion

differing opinions.

fundamental aspect of Feminist theory.

It's not merely my opinion

Yes it is. I can smell your TERF apologia from over here.

(only authoritarians want that anyway).

LOL gotta cover your ass.

I'll take your bullshit a little more seriously once you accept the reality that is intersex people.


DarkArmillary wrote

You've barely made a comment, but I'm glad you mentioned intersex people. That's because the existence of intersex people only underscores the fact there there is significant difference between the terms relating to sex, and the terms relating to gender. Clarity in these terms actually helps us recognize intersex people; distinct meaning of these terms is what allows us to break away from having two static categories that a person must adhere to.

Intersex people could be said to be both male and female at the same time, to varying degrees depending on one's particular genetics, yet their gendered social roles will probably not reflect that. In relation to the language used in the OP, and considering the reality of intersex people, the term "more male" would more accurately refer to an intersex person with a particular genetic arrangement that is "more male," in relation to someone else or some other sexed category such as "female." It is impossible to "feel" "more male," though it may be possible to feel more masculine or manly (and then we can ask what that means anyway, etc).


L0rdEMPRESS_GaLaXyBrAiN wrote (edited )

distinct meaning of these terms is what allows us to break away from having two static categories that a person must adhere to.

Intersex people could be said to be both male and female at the same time,

That was quick. It's very important we create the variables of male-bodied and female-bodied or else how will I know how to treat them!?