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F3nd0 wrote

The title says "what we hear", do you really need to try to tell people they are wrong when they tell you how things you say affect them?

Nowhere did I write that people do not interpret the sayings in the presented way, nor did I write that their interpretations are wrong. I have simply presented alternative interpretations, which could be just as valid as the original ones. It should be very well possible to interpret each of the translations in a non-transphobic way (perhaps save for the fourth one, which just has very poor wording).

Should you find that this is not the case, you are welcome to point out why. I have faith in my translations, but I am interested in why you find them irreconcilable.

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BunnyBop wrote

Trans people don't need you to translate for them. The piece is titled "what trans people hear" not "pls cissie, explain to us what you really mean". It's intention is to express the experience of trans people. We don't need you to provide the experience of cis people, as if we've never encountered it.

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F3nd0 wrote

Yes, nobody asked me to write the alternative translations; I did so on my own initiative. It's okay if they're of no use to you.

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BunnyBop wrote

They're not just of no use to me. You are in the Trans subraddle. Have some fucking respect.

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F3nd0 wrote

Posting alternative translations/interpretations is not disrespectful. (Their content could be, but we're already talking about that in a different comment thread.)

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BunnyBop wrote

I already told you we don't need you to translate for us. The fact that you continue to argue even though the people in this thread, some of which are trans, have told you to knock it off is disrespectful.

I haven't even mentioned the implied assertion that we should just take cis people in good faith but I think I will now. Cis people don't deserve that and doing so can be dangerous for the most marginalized of us. If I just give a cis person the benefit of the doubt when they say skeevey things, it could end up badly for me if I am ever put in a vulnerable position, even moreso for other trans people. Cis people have not earned the right to have the benefit of the doubt and they will not get it from me.

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F3nd0 wrote

I already told you we don't need you to translate for us.

And again, I didn't provide the alternatives because someone needed them and asked me. I put them out there for the case that anyone would find interest or benefit in them. You're free to find them useless for yourself, as is everyone else, for whom you're speaking.

The fact that you continue to argue even though the people in this thread, some of which are trans, have told you to knock it off is disrespectful.

As a matter of fact, I don't remember anyone asking me to stop arguing. People have presented me with criticism of my comment, to which I have replied, either defending/clarifying my comment, or asking for clarification of theirs. If any of them had asked me to end the discussion, I would have ended it. (And if you ask me now, I will respect your wish as well.)

For that matter, I won't take one's will for another. If someone asks me to stop talking to them, I won't talk to them, but it will be no reason to stop talking to others who have not expressed the same wish, until they do (or end the talk themselves, as some may already have). All I had so far is one request to choke, and while I have not granted it, you may see I did not pester that person with any replies.

I haven't even mentioned the implied assertion that we should just take cis people in good faith but I think I will now.

My comment implies that you can, not that you should. Whether one will or won't is entirely up to them, and I presume each trans person would also be the most authorised to make the right decision for themselves.