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ziq admin wrote

/u/amongstclouds: I've gotten too many complaints about you flooding the site to ignore. The /comments section is rendered useless and everyone is forced to see all this meta stuff. It takes over the whole site.

This forum was made largely because of all the complaints about your comment floods in f/meta. It has specific rules to avoid this very thing:

Users are welcome to contribute constructively towards establishing a case in the comments.

Low-effort, non-constructive, or otherwise troublesome posts may be locked or deleted.

We don't want shouting matches in this forum. It makes it much harder for us to moderate effectively. We just want users to provide links and exposition and to give the accused a chance to explain themselves if they're a long time user. If I had followed the rule, I would have locked the thread hours ago to prevent it taking over the site.

Please stop flooding the site, it takes so long to trounce through the threads to delete the non-useful comments. Multiple people have talked to you about this already so I'm banning you from here and f/meta for a month as a last resort. It's affecting everyone's usage of the site and it's not fair.

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ziq admin wrote (edited )

/u/selver

When I originally complained of the double standard being used to ban lifters but not anarchists, using your 'stupid, dumb' comments as an example, I never expected things to get this heated. I was trying to make a point about n_n making ban threads for lifters but not anarchists when both groups use the same language. But because people have dug up so much more stuff, and the other admins are obviously laying low today, I'll address each concern and hopefully people will accept my solution.

The child porn comments - this happened 8 months ago, I told you at the time you were falling for reddit pedo propaganda and you didn't really try to argue my point and never brought it up again. So I don't think there's much point in rehashing this now. If I'm being honest, I would have been a lot harsher with you for those comments back then if you weren't such an active user and a supermod. I've seen so many people parotting that propaganda on r/anarchism so it's not surprising to me. r/jailbait users spread that "cp prevents rape" bullshit all over reddit and it became normalized somehow. Hopefully you don't still think child rape porn is somehow useful...

The 'stupid, dumb' usage: I honestly don't think anarchists should be banning people for using words that are currently extremely socially acceptable in everyday language. We can tell people why words are harmful, offer them alternatives, even yell at them for continuing to use them, but unless the words are socially unacceptable, anarchists and liberals alike will continue to use them. Banning them for it is like pushing a boulder uphill and will just make people leave the site. "Retard", "mongoloid", "spastic" (UK) aren't socially acceptable any more, and hopefully "stupid" and "dumb" will join them in the future. But right now, as long as the majority of anarchists in the world use them, I feel it's beyond my power to force people to comply and just makes everyone resent the site. I feel qualified to make this decision as someone with dyspraxia who has been called stupid more times than I care to recall.

The ban evasion incident: ban evading to continue arguing with the trans women who banned you because of what you were arguing is all kinds of wrong. It really should have resulted in at least a temp global ban at the time. And worse, you're continuing to defend the evasion now with really obtuse reasoning. Since you're a supermod and openly crapping on f/trans's safe space protections even tho you're cis - I'm gonna demod you from the major forums you mod and give you a 1 month global ban. I think this is actually really lenient considering and I expect no one will be pleased. But banning you permanently would be pointless when you could just make a new account a minute later and no one would be the wiser. Hopefully a month ban will give you time to reflect. Respecting women's safe spaces is something that needs to be taken seriously.

There's also the actual comments you made in the f/trans thread to consider: The mods there explained why what you said was problematic and banned you for it (twice). Since the mods already handled it themselves and didn't ask for admin intervention, I don't think I need to get involved. But if I did get involved, I would have done whatever they asked me to do because I'm not a trans woman and it would be wrong for a NB ace to make that call for trans women.

To everyone on the site: I'd ask men not to argue with women in their forums in the future. It's really shitty.

Selver has been globally banned for 1 month and demodded from multiple forums.

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ziq wrote

Got sent this by selver:


Since I didn't have a chance to defend myself for the child porn thing before getting banned, I'd like to do that. Anyone who spends much time on here has probably seen me post all kinds of content from Conner Habib. He's an anarchist sex worker who writes about sexuality a lot, generally has politics the anarchists here would agree with, and is someone I trust on the topic. When I made that comment, I had recently listened to a podcast where he cited whatever study/evidence that providing CP with therapy does reduce child abuse.

If you don't believe that, and if I'm wrong, okay that's fine, but I wasn't defending any sort of child abuse. IF providing CP does reduce abuse, then it's something to be discussed. Anarchists should be looking for methods to deal with the issue other than the methods of the State and the FBI. If whatever he cited is false, then what the fuck is my crime here? Being gullible? Trusting an anarchist who has great politics otherwise? I don't understand what the fuck you all think you're doing here as anarchists if you're going to ban me for something like that. I have more posts on here than everyone other than ziq & tequila and they had to go back 8 months to find something controversial. Multiple regular users have said they don't see my comments as transphobic, you going to ban them too? celebratedrecluse, freux, 1917?

Feel free to perma-ban me, I won't be coming back. I have no interest in being on a forum where people are treated like this. Enjoy your Maoist cult and have fun talking to fucking amongstclouds and n_n every day. I'd rather blow my brains out. Raddle's a failure as an anarchist space.

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ziq wrote

What action(s) do you suggest we take to handle this?

The f/trans mod log also shows ban evasion:

https://raddle.me/f/Trans/bans

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n_n OP wrote

I would said that at least 1 day global ban for make an account to evade a forum ban. I warned them about the ableism, if they stop then not further actions, unless someone already warned them before. Then I will reconsider my opinion. That's all for now until others give their comments.

What's you opinion? They defended this. I don't know much about it, but some say that they are transphobes.

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ziq wrote (edited )

I think /u/selver should have to answer to the charges lobbied against him before any action is taken. For sure there should be a penalty for the ban evasion. Your suggestion is good or we could demod him from some of his forums? One forum for each offence?

Well, you can judge his response and then decide his sentence since you're good at this stuff.

Then we'll move onto the next defendants. There are lots of cases on the docket today.

They defended this

Many deleted comments in there so it's hard to follow. He said Aragorn isn't a transphobe? If you can dig up some quotes so we can prove Aragorn is a transphobe - that should certainly be added to the list of charges. I honestly have no idea.

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ziq wrote

In case anyone thinks I'm being sarcastic - I'm not. If we're going to ban 'dumb' and 'stupid', then no one can say those words. Not just the shoplifters.

The double standard is what I can't stand - I look like a giant hypocrite ordering liberals to stop using words that everyone else on the site continues to use without issue.

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n_n OP wrote

I'm completely fine with it. If someone is not then they should open a discussion in f/meta.

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n_n OP wrote

Then we'll move onto the next defendants. There are lots of cases on the docket today.

I already warned them so I don't see the need, for now. But you can open a discussion if you think that is needed.

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n_n OP wrote

I don't think that they should mod any forum.

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BrowseDuringClass1917 wrote

Support temp ban or another similarly small punishment for the ableism.

Oppose any punishment for the sexism and transphobia. The sexism seen in that thread is likely born from ignorance in wider society about that topic in general and selver seemed perfectly willing to learn and even agreed to some aspects of the other person’s argument towards the end. There is also no transphobia there at all.

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