libre_dev OP wrote
Reply to comment by throwaway9339839 in Ways of costing Nazis money for hosting by libre_dev
I dunno if giving them traffic is such a good idea, especially if Cloudflare are effectively subsidizing their services (big if tho)
throwaway9339839 wrote
At least the two examples I gave do use Cloudflare, but you're still going to cost them both bandwidth and space if you're uploading 100Mo to imgoat for example per day, and this applies to hooktube as well. And no they're using the free option with Cloudflare which means that it's costing Cloudflare money to provide them with bandwidth.
libre_dev OP wrote
An 8 TB drive is what, $250 right now? 3 cents per day is hardly worth the effort for a site no one uses. It would be more worthwhile to try to disrupt services they actually use to communicate
throwaway9339839 wrote
An 8 TB drive is what, $250 right now? 3 cents per day is hardly worth the effort for a site no one uses.
You know that you can increase his bill by having others use his service? It may be just 3 cents per day but the cost for you is basically none as you can run a cron job. And also he's right now loosing money as his patreon donations aren't enough to cover server costs (google ads should be just 10$ for him at best) https://www.patreon.com/goats
It would be more worthwhile to try to disrupt services they actually use to communicate
They will just switch services to something else, what will you do if they switch to Signal?
libre_dev OP wrote
Can't do much about them using Signal I think. But every shutdown scatters their numbers
throwaway9339839 wrote
Can't do much about them using Signal I think. But every shutdown scatters their numbers
You can't be perpetually DDoSing them, every disruption will be only temporarily and then what will you do when they all move to Signal?
Also you have just been proven wrong: HookTube deleted the possibility of fetching comments for videos because it probably cost him more.
libre_dev OP wrote
Maybe if one could figure out a way to automatically upload junk videos
throwaway9339839 wrote
No videos are uploaded to hooktube, it's only a frontend for Youtube, but because youtube will rate limit then block too much requests, then the only way to disrupt him is to actually use his service (using Tor Browser for privacy) and encourage others to do so to maximize the number of requests (automating requests from a single source won't work since he himself blocks abusive requests).
For imgoat you can upload junk gifs, but at some point it's clear that cloudflare will terminate his account unless he passes to a paid plan (again that will make his life worse).
throwaway9339839 wrote
Also try this to find hooktube's and imgoat's IP address behind cloudflare https://hugo.exec.sh/2018/01/24/leak-server-ip-addresses-behind-cloudflare/
That way, if it works, you can even access it directly and cost them more since your requests won't go through cloudflare.
libre_dev OP wrote
That looks mighty useful. Will have to look into what Censys is too. Thanks conrad!
imminent wrote
BTW LOOKS LIKE THE OVERLOAD IS WORKING :D :D https://voat.co/v/hooktube/2473864
Also forget about Censys, he does block access to the IP behind Cloudflare for others.
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