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lautreamont wrote

Element (Riot), and good old XMPP.

There's also the Signal fork, Session, that seems way more secure and decentralized, but still unstable I think.

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celebratedrecluse wrote

i agree, the following are just my thoughts

XMPP w/ OTR and with network traffic routed through Tor is better than element for individual conversations that need to be extra anonymous while still being encrypted. It is relatively straightforward for power users to set up burner XMPP profiles.

Element has more functionality for larger groups and casual conversations. However, since it is a web application, it comes with security and privacy problems, because you need to self-host and take on the responsibility of being a server administrator to really secure the platform.

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lautreamont wrote (edited )

Yep.

About the last paragraph... if local collectives or affinity groups won't be creating their own Matrix servers, in favor of relying on spooky corporate platforms, their reliability becomes pretty questionable.

Lotsa people are still tech backward, which isn't a problem, but having this backwardness being exploited by Facebook (the true reason why it got so big, I think) makes them... compromised?

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celebratedrecluse wrote

At the root, if it requires $600+ to buy a phone which even pretends to respect your privacy, then only rich people

some sort of scaling of capacity to reduce the cost of getting devices with unlocked bootloaders, would be great. failing that, we'll just have to rely on the gaps in coverage of the police state, and assume the surveillance game is pretty much lost from the get for any group over 6 people.

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lautreamont wrote

Well actually as the trend for locked bootloaders went, it tends to be the more recent cell phones that got this plague. It's nearly a case-by-case situation where actually the expense is not money, but rather efforts searching and finding the phones that can be "jailbroken". They're still a significant portion of the entirety of functional phones on the market.

So you totally can find a decent quality phone for cheap that's unlocked. Especially devices from Hong Kong that tend to be unrestricted in all aspects.

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celebratedrecluse wrote

where do you like to look for HK?

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lautreamont wrote (edited )

eBay's still good as far as you're careful about the seller's satisfaction score. Racketeers do exist, but by experience the Chinese sellers tend to be way more trustworthy.

Alibaba seems alright and more flexible payment methods, but didn't try yet. Seems to be better for getting parts especially

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southerntofu OP wrote

Element is a web application, so a server getting compromised will not only compromise all your metadata, but can also compromise your e2e-encrypted content retroactively (by compromising your private keys). Matrix as a protocol does not have this problem, but all web-clients (of all protocols) share this property.

Session i haven't tried, but it's really weird how their entire website doesn't talk about their cryptocurrency. You have to follow links around for that. Doesn't look very legit?

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lautreamont wrote (edited )

Session looks alright, but they say the p2p authentification is lacking a step to be functional. I'd recommend you test it with buddies.

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Hibiscus_Syrup wrote (edited )

Thanks. Unfortunately I would be all alone if I was using those programs in my context.

Never heard of Session, I'll guess it's not as popular as Signal because of the instability then.

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lautreamont wrote (edited )

It's very easy to start rooms on Matrix with Element. If you need a tool to reach out to new people online, perhaps Telegram would be more suitable. It's roughly about as (in)secure as Signal, but the main server is located in Dubai, instead of on US soil.

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