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AntiTech OP wrote

A couple years ago I asked:

Most of the anti-tech anarchist stuff I've found is only really anti-tech if the tech is capitalist. Do you know any texts that have a problem with all technology?

This is a typically middle-of-the-road post left crimethinc article rejecting technology that may be a useful resource for some of you.

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d4rk wrote (edited )

Honestly, if tech was capitalist then there is really no fight is there. Capitalism will win whether we like it or not if that were true.

Luckily, It doesn't have a trace of Nick Land, so that's a relief but there is in the last arguments of Development being inherently oppressive,

  1. Manufacture no new computers, but use existing resources to maintain current machines.

  2. Develop new, non-polluting, non-alienated methods of manufacturing computers (unlikely, but remotely possible – however, the process of researching new methods of manufacture would generate its own pollutants, division of labor, etc.). And computers are not the only (or worst) example of destructive production. Cars are far worse, for example, and a similar analysis of automobile manufacturing could easily become a lengthy book.

which gives it a solid "based" in my book.

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ziq wrote

Breadtube throws a collective tantrum

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MHC wrote

Accounting is technology. Sewers are technology.

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edmund_the_destroyer wrote (edited )

The manufacture of a single PC generates 90 pounds of waste and uses 3,000 gallons of water? Really? (Edit: I don't have evidence to the contrary. The number just seems unintuitive.)

Separately, there is a project https://collapseos.org/why.html - that I probably learned about from Raddle - to write usable, useful software that runs on 8 bit processors with performance characteristics of 1980s technology. Devices with that level of power might be practical for a small anarchist community / group of friends to create using local resources. No Netflix or Call of Duty, but maybe enough for some kinds of useful automation.

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granite wrote

From what I understand running a hidden service isn't cheap nor friendly to the environment when it comes to resource intensitivity.

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MHC wrote

I think of anarchism as a way of doing.

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mm064 wrote

Everything doesn't just vaporize in anarchy, and I always hate these stupid types of arguments. Making chips still provides value, so someone will do it. Some form of script currency will spontaneously develop and then there isn't going to be any problem. The fields that are most affected in my view are things like space, geological science, and so on that people really don't do without government backing. (The private sector here is just drastically smaller than you'd think.)

It's worth noting that the entirety of chip design from the beginning through the 80's was happening in someone's garage. It's not like much of this would go anywhere - there are always hobbyists and most of them are responsible for the real innovations anyway.

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Fool wrote

People had mines in their garages? I wasn't aware.

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mm064 wrote (edited )

People have everything in their garages. If you can conceive of someone making it then someone is, lol.

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Fool wrote

If someone has in one building;

  • the ability to mine all minerals required,
  • the ability to refine and smelt/mould the resources into their desired shape, and
  • the equipment to build the technology discussed

I don't think it should really be considered a garage, and I doubt the attached house would be hospitable for long term habitation.

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