Submitted by Tequilx_Wolf in TankiesGonnaTank (edited )

German–Soviet Credit Agreement (1939), in which the Soviets provided the oil and other important resources that fueled the Nazi war machine, which was used to invade Europe and then ironically also the USSR. This oil was essential to the war effort as nobody else was giving it to the Nazis, and they themselves were agreed that without it they wouldn't stand a chance.

The accompanying Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact, a non-aggression pact between Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union that enabled those two powers to partition Poland between them. Here you can check out the fancy Nazi-Communist military parade celebration of their agreement, where swastikas and red stars stand together.

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The Lipetsk fighter-pilot school, secret facility operational until 1933 in Soviet territory, where Germany evaded their ban on operating an air force following the first war. The Soviets approached Germany with the offer, effectively training the predecessors to the Luftwaffe and creating the condtions for them.

The Kama Tank School, and the Tomka gas test site, same story but tank research and chemical weapons development.

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ziq wrote

Pinned for prosperity.

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Bezotcovschina wrote

The Lipetsk fighter-pilot school, secret facility operational until 1933 in Soviet territory, where Germany evaded their ban on operating an air force following the first war. The Soviets approached Germany with the offer, effectively training the predecessors to the Luftwaffe and creating the condtions for them.

The Kama Tank School, and the Tomka gas test site, same story but tank research and chemical weapons development.

All of them, apparently, stopped co-operation shortly after nazis came to power in Germany

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Tequilx_Wolf OP wrote (edited )

Importantly though the bans were lifted in December 1932 so it's mostly incidental that the soviets took issue with it and put a stop to it less than a year later.

But the broader point is that the soviets were fine with helping Germany evade bans after the war where Germany was shut down for good reason, and so doing facilitated training and research that was fundamental to the harms the bans were intended to prevent.

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Bezotcovschina wrote

Nah, tankies will just say Stalin was playing some 4d chess with Hitler or similar shit

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Tecate_Coyote wrote

It is an irrefutable fact that the USSR was at different times in the war an ally of the Third Reich and instrumental in its downfall.

While I understand that a sign of chronically online discourse is needling someone's argument for not being exactly representative of every group and struggle, I find your wording a little off putting by implying that the USSR wasn't responsible for taking down the Nazis. The people of the USSR suffered greatly at the hands of the Third Reich and many millions more died than the rest of the Allies.

But I'm sure what you're trying to convey is that tankies are apologists of the atrocities of the USSR and will gloss over their direct involvement responsible for the rise of the Nazis at all.

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Tequilx_Wolf OP wrote

But I'm sure what you're trying to convey is that tankies are apologists of the atrocities of the USSR and will gloss over their direct involvement responsible for the rise of the Nazis at all.

That's exactly what I'm saying, though in harsher terms, and I'm pretty sure everyone else understood that - I'm not sure what about my wording made you think otherwise.

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Tecate_Coyote wrote

Okay, I just wanted to articulate my thoughts :) I felt that your title implied that because the Nazis and Soviets collaborated, that they weren't ultimately responsible for taking down the Nazis.

(Also in the same vein, I thought my writing was relatively neutral, would you care to expand a bit on what made it sound harsh?)

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Tequilx_Wolf OP wrote

Your writing was fine; I meant that what I was saying was harsher, not what you were saying.

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OdiousOutlaw wrote (edited )

I mean, why would they accept this when they can just downplay, deny, double down on, or ignore it instead?

It's not like they don't do it whenever the homophobia of past ML governments is thrown in front of them.

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kin wrote

Tankies always try to wash that Marxism Leninism will have dubious relationship with some of the more anti-capitalist Fascist sects. Falangists, Strasserites, Nazbols

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ArmyOfNone wrote (edited )

Yes, I knew about this stuff already. But still...

  • the Yugoslav Partisans did eventually repel the Nazi invaders to the north, after an uphill battle that lasted years, and mostly without foreign aid (even if Soviet were indirectly related, yet Yugoslav commies were never fond of the Soviets).

  • the Soviets did push back the Nazis from all of East Europe after their pyrrhic victory against Operation Barbarossa. That marked the start of the downfall of Hitler's regime, as the Wehrmacht was badly weakened after this stupid attempt to conquer Soviet Russia.

Of course this nothing to the notion of USSR being a Red fash regime, or Stalin's tendency at supporting foreign Far Right leaders (like his good buddy Chiang Kai-shek... this is documented), yet there's historical events that can't be denied. Stalin was also anyways an antisemite, and militarist....

Not seeking to defend the tankie reading of history, but history's to be taken with nuance (something they don't do).

Unrelated: "tequila" is not a gendered name, lol

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waygo wrote

weren't they allies for half the war

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