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mouse wrote

i dont know if I'll get backlash for this but i'd actually be comfortable with an extremely small government such as the one you described paired with market socialism/mutualism

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edmund_the_destroyer wrote

But how do you stop this minimized state from accumulating power until we have another Soviet Union or Chinese authoritarian government?

I don't know what the answer is. I'm enthusiastic about anarcho-communism because I think it might, in all seriousness, hold the moral high ground over all other forms of social organization.

But the anarchists point to Free Ukraine and portions of Spain during the Spanish Revolution as proof that anarchism scales to millions of participants. I'm not sure that's true. Anarchism scaled nicely, and then they got conquered. That makes anarchism a solution only if the whole world transitions at once. If the US transitions, we'll be conquered by others. If Europe transitions, it will be conquered by the US. etc...

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edmund_the_destroyer wrote

Maybe. But that might still spiral out of control. Lenin and Stalin didn't go from a worker's revolution to gulags in a day.

There's a famous quote, maybe fabricated, attributed to Stalin: "It's not the people that vote that count. It's the people that count the votes."

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edmund_the_destroyer wrote

Are you serious? Castro wiped out the opposition, imprisoned and executed dissidents, put homosexuals into reeducation camps, drove tens of thousands of residents to flee to the US each year, halted freedom of the press, and stayed in power until his death and then passed leadership to his brother through real democracy?

Respectfully, don't let your completely understandable hatred for capitalism blind you to flaws in alternatives. Cuba is not a model to pursue, it is at best equal to what the US and Europe have now.

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BADC wrote

No, the worker will make the state into a cooking fire for the workers.

Just because an anarchist tossed some bombs leading up to your revolution does not mean communism is, was, or is the parent of anarchism. It never will be. You can try to rewrite history from the perspective of a person stepping on humanities neck; it won't work. You can plan too. You can also plan to join the mice with your plans.

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