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DissidentRage wrote

but to call us all communists and pretend like we have the same goals is a bit much.

Are you not also aiming for a stateless society where the workers own the means of production, and capital and oppression no longer exist? Perhaps it is a naiveté to think that we're both going for that, or that this is a sufficient goal with implicit effects on other areas of life. If this is not what you're going for, or if this is not substantial enough to describe what you're going for, then I do not understand, and perhaps this is the case with others. My own perception has been that the divide has been a difference in tactics rather than goals.

i'm not sure what you mean by sectarian anarchists though, i've not heard that term. if you mean people who only give the time of day to other anarchists, then i certainly hope i don't appear to be one of those. that's just foolish.

There is the perception that differences between us are exaggerated or emphasized for the sake of making unity impossible (see the dogpiling elsewhere in the thread), while not even attempting to reconcile the differences. There is also the assertion that communists inherently desire rule or be ruled (see other threads in this sub where the question of motive has been posed), based on what has happened historically, regardless of what is actually said by many of its proponents and in spite of the conditions in which those events have occurred.

Personally the resolution of both has been a great area of interest for me, however as someone who is not as well-versed (owing to a lack of any formal political education or time to dedicate to thorough reading of leftist literary works) I'm only going to get so far and I'm sure I will make mistakes. A lot of what I've picked up has been through participation in and observation of discussion.

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DissidentRage wrote

communists don't really have an issue with that.

I think enough look back on the USSR and others as being examples of failures in that regard. At the very least it's accepted as an example of why the strong man theory doesn't work. Personally I think having a figurehead that is purely representative is fine but not locking up all that power in one person.

i think every faction has those kinds, but other than being a minor hinderance to conversation, i don't see them as much of a threat for our advancement.

I think they pose a problem in that they can sabotage a revolution if it doesn't go exactly the way they want it to, whether it's by divisive actions and rhetoric, or actively siding with counter-revolutionaries. A couple here have expressed that they will be content breaking away and committing individual actions that aren't tactically considerate of the larger movement.

but there is something to consider.....perhaps all of our differences cannot be reconciled. that may not be a bad thing. but we do need to be honest about our differences.

People in general are going to have different perceptions of things. There are always going to be differences, and yes, some may not be reconciled, but decisions must be made on what the larger points are, and which minor things can be compromised. I don't see the major points of our political views as necessarily incompatible as I pointed out a couple posts ago, and I think it's important to emphasize our commonalities so that we can be more effective.