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Defasher wrote (edited )

Are you saying that hierarchy is justified because Seth MacFarlane (a cishet white bloke in Hollywood) made lots of money? And who is he educating? I don't really follow.

Organised religion isn't very compatible with free-thinking, however you slice it. But the culture and writings of judaism encourages constant analysis of its teachings, while the culture and writings of christianity orders us to not think for ourselves and simply obey. Much like Marxism when implemented by statists.

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WindTalk wrote (edited )

Are you saying that hierarchy is justified because Seth MacFarlane (a cishet white bloke in Hollywood) made lots of money?

No. I am not saying that. I was giving an example of an atheist. Seth MacFarlane. He has many followers who give him lots of money. His money is not coming from digging gold out of the Earth - he gets his money by people purchasing his content. Those are his audience, his followers. He has power.

And who is he educating?

Anyone who will listen to him. And even if he dies, it's mostly delivered in ways that will survive and can continue to educate.

Seth MacFarlane may only be worth $200 million, but the products he creates - the stories he tells with his teams of artists (apostles) - are into the billions and billions. He probably isn't even getting the largest percentage of it.

Do you think think Jesus was supernatural, or was he just a human man - who had nothing supernatural about him. Just that he was a popular storyteller? Like Seth MacFarlane. And what people are able to do with what is a copyright-free work, The Bible - in telling people what it means 1500 years later.

I don't really follow.

How is that much different from the Bible? if the ideas in the Bible are popular - and people want to believe in heaven in the afterlife - what are you going to do? Force them at sword-point to not believe it? That's why I brought up Mexico and the Spanish - that's how they converted both the language of their culture and their religion. Both are equally replaced.

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Defasher wrote (edited )

Isn't MacFarlane just teaching white douchebags to keep being douchebags though? He's not really teaching anyone anything.

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WindTalk wrote (edited )

Isn't MacFarlane just teaching white douchebags to keep being douchebags though? He's not really teaching anyone anything.

Jesus hasn't been alive for nearly 2000 years. He just walked around and told stories. Others put it into a book. He's not really teaching anyone anything. It's the popularity of the story that draws the audience.

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zod wrote

Didn't he also tell people 'live this way' and 'don't do this' though?

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WindTalk wrote (edited )

Didn't he also tell people 'live this way' and 'don't do this' though?

How many people alive today, 2017, are saying those two things? And how many in the past 2000 years? 'live this way' and 'don't do this', aren't doctors telling people that today in hospitals all over the world? Seth MacFarlane content can have adverts all around it - telling people how to live, and what to do. That's probably how most of his power and money is accumulated - adverts. Why are wealthy and powerful people paying such big money to put their 'live this way' and 'don't do this' in the middle of fiction stories?

It's the popularity of the story itself that is the point I'm trying to make. Jesus isn't anything without his crowd, his fans, his fan-appreciation clubs. That's what is relevant to Spock posting "Why can't leftists just all get along? We're all on the same side, comrades" as a topic.

Is fighting more popular than getting along? Are hierarchies what people desire, want, and even construct? We don't need Jesus to build towers in our big cities.