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sudo wrote

They're major ideological differences. The only time I would consider allying with anarchists would be for antifascist groups. If communists and anarchists win a revolution together, we will turn on each other the minute the revolution is over. Communists want a transitional socialist state, which will wither away once it is no longer needed, whereas anarchists want to abolish the state outright. Each group's plan is unacceptable to the other, so once one group tries to implement their plan, the other group will try to stop them. This will end in a Kronstadt, every time. Whether it's the communists or the anarchists who win depends on who has the superior force.


BlackFlagged wrote

finally an honest ML.


zod wrote (edited )

If they were honest, they wouldn't say "Communists want...", they'd say "I want..." You can be a communist without supporting a transitional state.


GrimWillow wrote

Whether it's the communists or the anarchists who win depends on who has the superior force.

And what would those opposing forces appear as? Perhaps a totalitarian system claiming to absolve into a horizontally organized force vs an already horizontally organized force? Either statists turn to finally believe in liberation, or the Anarchists will will be forced to defend themselves against yet another vertically organized force. Statists might as well be fascists at that point...


erin wrote

this is a fantastical situation though, like, a revolution where having a state afterwards is even an option isn't an anarchist revolution, we do popular revolutions not vanguardist revolutions, that means when the revolution is over the people themselves will demand anarchism and not a transitional state (mutualism transitional phase maybe but not a state). so the idea that we will help each other during the revolution and then turn on each other is never going to happen, either the revolution will be vanguardist and any anarchists who help with that are severely misinformed, there is no possibility but the establishment of a new state in that case, or it will be an anarchist popular revolution and in that case anyone suggesting that a new state be set up afterwards will be laughed at. you will know what you're getting afterwards by what kind of revolution it is, so why would an anarchist support a revolution that has been historically proven to result in their death.