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autonomous_hippopotamus wrote

The problem with Walmart is it's really locked-down and the employees are desperate. I've had a few of them try to play hero, but even if they catch you putting something in your pocket you could say you were going to buy it and they can't do shit because you technically haven't committed a crime yet.

imo small crowded places like mall shops are much better than big department stores. In a mall there are so many people that everyone becomes a blur, you can just slide things in your pocket and no one will notice. In an empty wallmart the employees will watch you because there ain't shit else to do.

Hidden cameras aren't that big a deal because in all probability no one is watching them. Hidden cameras come into play after the fact and usually only if they catch you later on. Unless you're pulling off some major heist that they will immediately notice, it doesn't matter if your five finger discount is caught on video. Security cameras also have incredibly low resolution, so if you take precautions ( wear a camo hat: dress like a typical wallmartian) it's extremely difficult to tell who you are.

The only time a security camera poses a threat is if you act really suspicious and linger around one area for too long constantly looking over your shoulder or waiting for the right moment to secrete the goods. When you see your chance immediately conceal the goods in as casual a manner as possible.

You should practice slight-of-hand techniques: smoothly putting your hand on top of something in carrying it off in a not-so-obvious manner; putting something into your hoodie or up your sleeve in a quick, natural motion, going to scratch your neck and dropping an item into your shirt. Maybe learn a few magic tricks. The CIA Manual of Trickery and Deception gives a lengthy account of ways to cleverly conceal pilfered items.

One thing to remember: if they catch you, you can always run. If you're caught, you don't have to just stand there, they're not the police, they have neither the right or the means to hold you, just run out the door, go to your car, or down a busy walkway, run down a sidestreet, leave by any means necessary. They won't follow you off the property.

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sudo wrote

There's a bit of misinformation in this post.

The problem with Walmart is it's really locked-down and the employees are desperate.

Not usually, as far as I've heard. It definitely can vary from store to store, but in general, it seems that Walmart has cut back on their loss prevention in the last few years, and the regular employees aren't paid enough to care.

...even if they catch you putting something in your pocket you could say you were going to buy it and they can't do shit because you technically haven't committed a crime yet.

Not true - in some jurisdictions, concealing a product would be considered "intent to steal", and that would be a crime, even if you didn't walk out the door yet. Look up your local laws to see if this is the case.

Security cameras also have incredibly low resolution

Not so much anymore. Modern pan-tilt-zoom cameras actually have quite good resolution nowadays. Like all things, it depends on the store you're in, so you may get lucky and they may have old cameras, but the new ones are good.

they have neither the right or the means to hold you ... They won't follow you off the property.

No, just no. If we're talking about the states here, then Shopkeeper's Privilege may be in effect in your local jurisdiction. This means that store managers and LP agents can detain you if they suspect you of shoplifting. Furthermore, Walmart is a "will chase" store, so if one of their LP sees you conceal and leave the store, if they care enough, they can run outside and forcefully pull you back into the store. If they just call after you, ignore them and keep walking. If they run after you, don't try to flee unless you're a fast runner. If they grab you, do not get into a brawl, because you'll almost certainly lose, and you'll have assault charges to deal with in addition to theft. At that point, just comply with them, pretend that it was just a "crime of opportunity" and that you're really really sorry, and they may let you off with a warning and store ban instead of calling the police. But it's best to be careful while concealing, to avoid this situation in the first place.

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SuperDave wrote

Shat should I do about cameras? Do they use hidden ones? How likely is it that i'm being observed?

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Drshoplifter wrote (edited )

Is it stupid to use pepperspray if caught? the alarm went off when i left once so thats what i did. But the 2 guys couldn't see to chase after me when i bolted right after. they were yelling and cussing but no chase. It was just management and no lp, but i knew they couldn't chase even if they wanted too. they were blinded and disabled. i got away scot free.

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SuperDave wrote

Thanks for the help!! What stores do you usually hit? I know cams are actively monitored at Walmart. And with that the chances they’re watching you are still slim. I don’t like risks tho.

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Drshoplifter wrote

In larger stores like walmart you should beware of cams. also Best Buy uses hidden cameras.