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Drshoplifter wrote (edited )

The first time I hit Walmart I stole one small item and exited through garden center. So it would be obvious if they were following me

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YouWouldntBelieveMe wrote

Being paranoid almost always leads to getting caught. Body language is a huge indicator when someone is doing something wrong. If an experienced LP sees someone looking around like they are paranoid they will be more likely to keep an eye on you. Always keep moving, browse slowly but not slow enough to cause you to look out of place. Don’t circle around an area a bunch of times. The most important thing is to be confident when you do it and don’t fail yourself. Don’t go for gusto the first time. Try something small to get a feel for it.

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autonomous_hippopotamus wrote

play heisty music in your head while you do it, also helps if you go in with some friends...

I used to do this little routine: one of us would buy some stuff, while the others would shoplift, when the alarm went off by the doors, the person who bought stuff would stop in front of the door and face the guard, the guard would chech their bag, but if you just show them the reciet they assume it was a mistake. Works every time.

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raindropq wrote (edited )

i'm going to try lifting in my area at the library soon. i believe they got some interesting Lit material just in,(fantasy stuff and maybe non-fiction, too) i probably don't have a valid account with themm so i will have to enroll when i find a steady address,anyways i'm still eager to to see the books so i can read them wit my eyes amand i think it would be preferable to hab more than just a couple minutes. any tips for keeping cool? THANKS m

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k43eL7Bq wrote

Dude, the library?! The one place in society that allows everyone, irrespective of socioeconomic status, access to knowledge? The first step to the democratisation of knowledge? The first step to lifelong learning?

No way.

I am 100% up for civil disobedience, but praxis has to be targeted. The only people you're affecting here are people who can't afford to buy books and that's totally the wrong target.

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raindropq wrote

fuck society, i just wanna read some books

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iamhamming wrote

wow wouldnt it be great if there was a way for you to read free books while not screwing over anyone and also not breaking the law. you know libraries dont charge you money rite

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autonomous_hippopotamus wrote

Libraries are difficult to lift from discreetly because they have that little magnetic card inside the binding that you probably won't be able to remove without damaging the book (i tried before, the guilt haunts me still).

Your library might have a bookstore on the inside: a place near the front where they sell donated books or old books for dirt cheap. Those books generally don't have tags in them. So pick them up, sit down with them at a table, then after a while put them in your bag and walk out.

There's really no reason to be nervous in a library. Librarians don't give a shit. Even if you fill your bag with books and walk out making the alarms go off it's not like they'll do anything about it.

I don't want to sound moralizing but you can just read the book in the library. you can't just hang out in the library all day? Also, I've applied for library cards while homeless, they usually just want a picture i.d. it takes a couple minutes.

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autonomous_hippopotamus wrote

The one way you can lift a book out of a library is if that library has some type of side entrance no one is watching. Sometimes there's no magnetic detector thing on the door, or there is space on the side you can slip a bookbag through so as not to set off the alarm.

But yeah, really no reason to be nervous, there's no way for the librarian to know if a book you are carrying is checked out or if you came in with it or not and they really don't watch people like that.

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Throwdown321 wrote

Library gets thier books from donations, so they dont have an inventory. They often have to chase people for unreturned book, so its somewhat worst than a mom and pop shop. Just get a library card and borrow it. you can always renew it.

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autonomous_hippopotamus wrote

That might be true of some Libraries, but everywhere i've been they get so many thousands of dollars a year to order new books. Usually it's fucked up how the city alocates funds so a Library in the white side of town will get more while the library in the poor/black/immigrant side of town has old books falling apart.

Kinda fucked up alot of libraries have recently instituted this algorythm where they throw out books that don't get checked out regularly and only order best sellers. Library in my home town was stuffing dumpsters full of books. Shits wild.

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Throwdown321 wrote

did not know this, i know my public library features some best sellers, if they are throwing it out as trash i guess people can get it for free. i guess it depends on the state, that is not red.

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raindropq wrote

hanging out in the library on a sunny day isnt fun for me. perhaps if i catch the librarian on their lunch and ask -when they're not to busy- they'll consent to me walkin outside with an item

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Drshoplifter wrote

Hey, go stash something in a blind spot. and see if its still there a couple days later. no loss prevention agent is going to watch you do that and then leave the product in its blind spot. theyll put it back rather than take the risk of it being stolen. this will show you that they're rarely watching you.

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sudo wrote

When you go in, just repeat to yourself that the odds are in your favour - they probably aren't watching you. Keep telling yourself that you'll be fine. Envision yourself walking out the door without any problems.

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autonomous_hippopotamus wrote

The problem with Walmart is it's really locked-down and the employees are desperate. I've had a few of them try to play hero, but even if they catch you putting something in your pocket you could say you were going to buy it and they can't do shit because you technically haven't committed a crime yet.

imo small crowded places like mall shops are much better than big department stores. In a mall there are so many people that everyone becomes a blur, you can just slide things in your pocket and no one will notice. In an empty wallmart the employees will watch you because there ain't shit else to do.

Hidden cameras aren't that big a deal because in all probability no one is watching them. Hidden cameras come into play after the fact and usually only if they catch you later on. Unless you're pulling off some major heist that they will immediately notice, it doesn't matter if your five finger discount is caught on video. Security cameras also have incredibly low resolution, so if you take precautions ( wear a camo hat: dress like a typical wallmartian) it's extremely difficult to tell who you are.

The only time a security camera poses a threat is if you act really suspicious and linger around one area for too long constantly looking over your shoulder or waiting for the right moment to secrete the goods. When you see your chance immediately conceal the goods in as casual a manner as possible.

You should practice slight-of-hand techniques: smoothly putting your hand on top of something in carrying it off in a not-so-obvious manner; putting something into your hoodie or up your sleeve in a quick, natural motion, going to scratch your neck and dropping an item into your shirt. Maybe learn a few magic tricks. The CIA Manual of Trickery and Deception gives a lengthy account of ways to cleverly conceal pilfered items.

One thing to remember: if they catch you, you can always run. If you're caught, you don't have to just stand there, they're not the police, they have neither the right or the means to hold you, just run out the door, go to your car, or down a busy walkway, run down a sidestreet, leave by any means necessary. They won't follow you off the property.

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sudo wrote

There's a bit of misinformation in this post.

The problem with Walmart is it's really locked-down and the employees are desperate.

Not usually, as far as I've heard. It definitely can vary from store to store, but in general, it seems that Walmart has cut back on their loss prevention in the last few years, and the regular employees aren't paid enough to care.

...even if they catch you putting something in your pocket you could say you were going to buy it and they can't do shit because you technically haven't committed a crime yet.

Not true - in some jurisdictions, concealing a product would be considered "intent to steal", and that would be a crime, even if you didn't walk out the door yet. Look up your local laws to see if this is the case.

Security cameras also have incredibly low resolution

Not so much anymore. Modern pan-tilt-zoom cameras actually have quite good resolution nowadays. Like all things, it depends on the store you're in, so you may get lucky and they may have old cameras, but the new ones are good.

they have neither the right or the means to hold you ... They won't follow you off the property.

No, just no. If we're talking about the states here, then Shopkeeper's Privilege may be in effect in your local jurisdiction. This means that store managers and LP agents can detain you if they suspect you of shoplifting. Furthermore, Walmart is a "will chase" store, so if one of their LP sees you conceal and leave the store, if they care enough, they can run outside and forcefully pull you back into the store. If they just call after you, ignore them and keep walking. If they run after you, don't try to flee unless you're a fast runner. If they grab you, do not get into a brawl, because you'll almost certainly lose, and you'll have assault charges to deal with in addition to theft. At that point, just comply with them, pretend that it was just a "crime of opportunity" and that you're really really sorry, and they may let you off with a warning and store ban instead of calling the police. But it's best to be careful while concealing, to avoid this situation in the first place.

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SuperDave wrote

Shat should I do about cameras? Do they use hidden ones? How likely is it that i'm being observed?

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Drshoplifter wrote (edited )

Is it stupid to use pepperspray if caught? the alarm went off when i left once so thats what i did. But the 2 guys couldn't see to chase after me when i bolted right after. they were yelling and cussing but no chase. It was just management and no lp, but i knew they couldn't chase even if they wanted too. they were blinded and disabled. i got away scot free.

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SuperDave wrote

Thanks for the help!! What stores do you usually hit? I know cams are actively monitored at Walmart. And with that the chances they’re watching you are still slim. I don’t like risks tho.

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Drshoplifter wrote

In larger stores like walmart you should beware of cams. also Best Buy uses hidden cameras.