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leftous wrote

I said it's not freedom by any means to restrict based on private property.

There are other far freer models to designate property e.g. personal property, or occupancy-and-use ideas of mutualism. I would say that "private property" is the least free method since you can essentially claim anyone's land if you have the means to do so, and can own property you don't even use (and charge/enslave people for it).

Do you really think that anyone should be able to just come in and forcefully remove your family, kill and rape you, trash your farms, take your property and starve you to death if you try to have bountiful resources

It's funny you mention this, because it's precisely why I'm not a capitalist. It is the imperialist violent capitalists who do this all over the world.


DC2342 wrote

You seem reasonable enough and I'm sure I'd agree with you on many topics. However it's called communist fascism when governments allow these things to happen.

If you blame real capitalism and free markets, then yall gonna end up like Ukraine in 1917.


ziq wrote

Communism means stateless and moneyless so that doesn't make a lick of sense.


DC2342 wrote

Your absolutely wrong communism is where everything is publicly owned by government and you work for and get paid by the government.


ziq wrote

I'm not a big fan of communism, but I try to learn what something is before I go on angry rants about it.

Communism is a classless, stateless and moneyless society. Whatever doesn't fit that criteria isn't communism, no matter what the propaganda tells you. You're describing state capitalism.


DC2342 wrote

But that is not true. learn what communism is before you defend it.


jadedctrl wrote (edited )

[Communism] is a socioeconomic order structured upon the common ownership of the means of production and the absence of social classes, money and the state.

That's from goddamn Wikipedia, mate!