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Majrelende wrote

It also comes out to -(capitalism) = -(theft) - rules, or the opposite of capitalism is giving and anarchy. This might actually be a useful tool. Or maybe I am just deluding myself...?

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El_Sabate wrote

I'm surrounded by liberals who would agree with the Warren shirt, but cannot apply it to all of capitalism. Has anyone else had success in convincing liberals of how universal theft is under capitalism? Its just so ingrained into their minds...

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deathdirge wrote

It depends on who you're talking to. White liberals, good luck. Black or other marginalized liberals, because it's part of their daily lives, if they haven't really thought about it or given voice to it before, they definitely agree. At least that's been my limited experience. It's kind of like with marxists though, why spend time trying to convince them of problems with the system they favor when you could use that same time and energy to work on things that you want.

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El_Sabate wrote

They are mostly white, older and fairly well-off... so I don't hold out much hope, they're just the only people around me so its hard to not talk about and hard to build anything when we're so far apart on everything.

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deathdirge wrote

That sounds unpleasant. Definitely should push back against their bullshit (sounds like you are). The kids of a liberal friend of mine have been asking me a bunch of questions about anarchism and how to deal with tankies. They came to anarchism on their own but when they heard me talking about things like a world without police they knew. Always nice to find common ground even if it's with a younger generation of the white liberals those of us have to deal with.

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