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zorblax wrote (edited )

it's funny, there was a single study on the effect of raising the minimum wage in Seattle that claimed it negatively impacted jobs, so it's the one everyone parrots, but a huge amount of other studies found either no or very slight positive impacts from the raise.

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monkeec wrote

It's not very intuitive but like the article says, the people that will be affected are low-wage/unskilled workers, think undocumented immigrants and young people out of highschool. Since those jobs are controlled by huge corporations (Mcdonalds) all's they will do is cut the amount of jobs that they hire for and the amount of hours and it will give them even more incentive to move to machines or automated kiosks, idk if you've seen those at a fast food place yet. Maybe this would work in the peoples favor if the corporations were on the workers side but they aren't.

This reminds me of the plastic grocery bag ban in California, very unintuitive.

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selver wrote (edited )

As far as I know countless studies have shown that's just not true. It positively affects low-wage workers, the idea that they'll all lose their jobs cause of the hike is a myth without any real evidence supporting it. Corporations & the rich spread that bullshit every time a minimum wage increase is demanded, and it never really happens.

Not that I've really looked into it much personally, just secondhand knowledge from other people.

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monkeec wrote

Actually big businesses will be the only employers that can stomach this, small business will not be able to pay this easily, not to mention that this will just cause inflation and all the prices for shit will go up therefore cancelling out any effects people see. This will harm illegal immigrants the most since they work jobs that Americans won't work because they don't pay a lot. Look at a place like San Francisco that has high minimum wage and tell me if you want to live in that gentrified world. If so, you're a fucking liberal.

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selver wrote

I get that it might seem to make sense logically, but again, the evidence has shown otherwise. None of that ever actually happens after a min. wage increase. But if you've got evidence showing otherwise, by all means share it. Letter signed a few years ago by 600 economists, including 7 nobel prize winners, saying:

In recent years there have been important developments in the academic literature on the effect of increases in the minimum wage on employment, with the weight of evidence now showing that increases in the minimum wage have had little or no negative effect on the employment of minimum-wage workers, even during times of weakness in the labor market. Research suggests that a minimum-wage increase could have a small stimulative effect on the economy as low-wage workers spend their additional earnings, raising demand and job growth, and providing some help on the jobs front.

There are many reasons San Fransisco is fucked up, none of which are the min. wage. The tech workers there are not making anywhere near min. wage.

And also fuck small business tyrants. If they can't pay a decent wage, shut em down.

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monkeec wrote

I've just been looking at the comments from the years past when they were doing the same, on leftist sites, and the only arguments I see are "of course more money is good". The only analysis I see is from people saying it's not a good idea. Can you point me to some actual analysis and not just a letter? Are the people who signed that letter liberal or leftists? Also, how does this work towards a stateless , anarchist society?

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monkeec wrote

I'm not saying that they'll lose their jobs just that there will be less jobs since the corporations will use the same budget. Like for example 100/8 is more than 100/15. IDK, I've just heard the logic behind it and it sounds legit to me. Corporations definitely don't want to pay people more for unskilled work.

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zorblax wrote (edited )

Lowering the pay of humans to keep up with the cost-efficiency of machines is a terrible long-term strategy. It means forcing people to accept lower and lower pay to stay competitive, and eventually being jobless anyway because machines are just plain more efficient than humans for most things.

The solution to the problem is to not let the market make the rules.

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RedEmmaSpeaks wrote

The people making this argument, inadvertently wind up making a pretty good case for pointing out that this "work or starve" meme that governs our culture, is pretty fucking sick. Food, water, and shelter are like the basic building blocks of, y'know, life, yet our culture has effectively blocked access to those without money, leaving so many to die because they don't have these things, even though we have enough to be able to take care of everyone. We have an estimated ten empty homes for every single homeless person, yet we'd rather let them stay empty and rot, than let some homeless person move in, maintain them, and live a more comfortable life.