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zzuum wrote

Wait what are there global warming deniers on this website

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daniel wrote

The very scientists cited in the concensus study go on record and state categorically that their conclusions were misrepresented, do you think that is a problem at all? Or perfectly acceptable to ignore?

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zzuum wrote

You do realize that there is absolutely no benefit to denying global warming, right?

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daniel wrote

Please answer my question.

The very scientists cited in the concensus study go on record and state categorically that their conclusions were misrepresented, do you think that is a problem at all? Or perfectly acceptable to ignore?

Here are some of the scientists actual quotes:

"Is this an accurate representation of your paper? Idso: "That is not an accurate representation of my paper. "

"Is this an accurate representation of your paper? Scafetta: What my papers say is that the IPCC view is erroneous because about 40-70% of the global warming observed from 1900 to 2000 was induced by the sun."

"Is this an accurate representation of your paper? Shaviv: "Nope... it is not an accurate representation. "

"Is this an accurate representation of your paper? Morner: "Certainly not correct and certainly misleading. "

"Is this an accurate representation of your paper? Soon: "I am sure that this rating of no position on AGW by CO2 is nowhere accurate nor correct. Rating our serious auditing paper from just a reading of the abstract or words contained in the title of the paper is surely a bad mistake."

"Is this an accurate representation of your paper? Carlin: "No, if Cook et al's paper classifies my paper, 'A Multidisciplinary, Science-Based Approach to the Economics of Climate Change' as "explicitly endorses AGW but does not quantify or minimize," nothing could be further from either my intent or the contents of my paper"

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Erisian wrote

plz answer my questions says the kid who can't even answer others questions im an engineer

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Splinglebot wrote

Here are some actual quotes:

"ExxonMobil pay me to talk shit online" - daniel

"trust me im an engineer" - daniel

"I use lots of technical language to sound smart this is how you convince people" - daniel

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daniel wrote

I also get a discount on my gasoline (company policy) but it's only for regular (87 octane) and can't be applied to products from ExxonMobile ToGo (tm) convenience stores.

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zzuum wrote

Man I hope for your sake you are getting paid

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th_newfront wrote

lol the guy below talks like my dad ignores the facts ignores your take and keep saying the same shit over and over

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daniel wrote

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arewehavingfunyet wrote

I was recently at glacier national park. the signs that said "gone by 2020" have been removed. glaciers are still there and are showing no signs of going anywhere. what do?

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daniel wrote

The news is out there if you're looking for it....

This week another class III icebreaker stuck in 10 foot thick ice in the arctic: https://wobleibtdieglobaleerwaermung.wordpress.com/2019/07/15/zweiter-versuch-klimapropaganda-eisbrecher-mit-klimanarren-in-der-nordwestpassage/ Last week, another class III icebreaker stuck in 9 foot thick ice in the arctic: https://resett.no/2019/07/15/norsk-isbryter-matte-snu-nord-for-svalbard-motte-betydelig-tjukkere-ismasser-enn-forventet/ (secondary source, no paywall) https://dagens.klassekampen.no/2019-07-15/stanset-av-isen (original source, paywall)

Over the recent years Artic ice has been thicker than expected and casts serious doubt on forecasted melting.

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Erisian wrote

mfw when you are basically sharing articles from the Norwegian Breitbart.

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daniel wrote

Forgive me, you're right. Clearly the author of this 'concensus study' knows the conclusions of these papers better than their actual authors do. That makes a lot of sense. Thanks for clearing that up. I'll go retire to the reeducation gulag now for my crime of wrongthink. See you at the glorious revolution comrade! l You will go far in the party! Commisar amongstclouds! It has a nice ring to it.

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Erisian wrote

See you at the glorious revolution comrade! l You will go far in the party! Commisar amongstclouds! It has a nice ring to it.

What strange assumptions. I fear that you might actually have something wrong with you.

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daniel wrote

Well according to you Klassekampen is Norwegian Breightbart... Can't imagine how far left you have to be to make that analogy.

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Erisian wrote

https://resett.no/2019/07/15/norsk-isbryter-matte-snu-nord-for-svalbard-motte-betydelig-tjukkere-ismasser-enn-forventet/

Since you ignored it. Like you always do.

Also you said you're an engineer, but you also claimed to be an EMS and you studied biology?

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daniel wrote

Yes, this August will be my 15 year anniversary as an EMT. I am trained as a firefighter as well and work on an ambualance several days a month in addition to my day job as an engineer. I don't do EMS full time anymore, nor for the side hustle cash, I do it because I like to serve my community. I studied biology in undergrad, but there are not many good jobs in the field for just biology unless you have an advanced degree, and even then it wasn't an appealing carreer to be sitting in a lab all day or teaching at some university. There's a lot of different types of engineers, without revealing too much about my identity... but you can be a mechanical engineer, chemical engineer, software engineer, biomedical engineer, optical engineer, etc. etc. etc. I don't know it all or claim to, I am just pointing out the legitimate flaws in research and false predictions that didn't come true. I understand that's apparently verboten, but they are legitimate concerns with the methodology used to reach many of the dire conclusions the media likes to repeat on loop.

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Erisian wrote

I'll go retire to the reeducation gulag now for my crime of wrongthink. See you at the glorious revolution comrade! l You will go far in the party! Commisar amongstclouds! It has a nice ring to it.

I still think this is the best shit.

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Erisian wrote

So, yeah, you're not an engineer.

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daniel wrote

I am salaried as an engineer. I work ~60 hours a week directly performing engineering tasks. I have been working as an engineer since 2011.

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daniel wrote

Also https://dagens.klassekampen.no is a radical left publication (literally english: the class struggle, a far cry from Breightbart.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klassekampen

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Erisian wrote (edited )

I was talking about Resett, but like usual you pick and choose which points to take note of.

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daniel wrote

I stated the primary source. The only reason resenett was there is because it didn't have a paywall. But regardless, pick the straw man and attack the source rather than the reality of the information. The boat did get marooned in 3 meter thick ice in late July in the Arctic and that smacks in the face of the predictions from the so-called experts.

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Erisian wrote

The boat did get marooned in 3 meter thick ice in late July in the Arctic and that smacks in the face of the predictions from the so-called experts.

...you do know that climate change or 'global warming,' doesn't mean EVERYTHING GET HOT AND ICE MELT. It's not as simple as you think it is.

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daniel wrote

Right, it's not simple. But you can't make hyperbolic predictions that the Arctic will be ice free by 2014 and then not get called out on it when it demonstrably and utterly fails to come to happen. In fact recent years have seen increases in the thickness of Arctic ice. Don't kill the messenger.

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Erisian wrote

You've shared a few conspiracy-laced sites. How do you feel about vaccines?

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daniel wrote

I think they make sense in certain situations, but I also think they are over prescribed. I know from biology and medical studies that a newborn infant doesn't really develop its immune system until at least 18 months and relies on the mother's antibodies for the initial post-birth period. So I think it's unethical to push vaccines on scared new parents immediately after a kid is born, because the efficacy is not proven at that age group, yet the risk profile is the same or higher. Beyond age 3 or 4 I think the likelyhood of harm from reasonably administered vaccinations (ie. not 10 in a single visit, but one or two at a time spaced a few months apart) is extremely low. I also think that childhood diseases which are relatively benign should probably not be vaccinated against unless the kid is in a high risk group, ie. a kid with cancer or AIDS should be protected from chicken pox, but an otherwise healthy kid can be allowed to catch it and develop immunity naturally if so desired by the parents. the problem with vaccinating healthy populations against relatively mild childhood illnesses is that the immunity is not lifetime and no long term studies have been done yet on these populations. with chicken pox for example, if you catch it, you're more or less immune for life, but with the current generation many of them will likely require booster shots or loose their immunity as they age and possibly suffer shingles, etc. Customer for life.

It's a risk versus benefit scenario... would I get vaccinated against anthrax? Today, no, but if I was going to a warzone, yes. Would I get vaccinated against HPV, no. If I was working in adult film industry, yes.

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Erisian wrote

I mean it's what you do so why can't I do it? How much does Exxon pay you?

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daniel wrote

I make a very fine living as a petroleum engineer. Thank you very much. JUST KIDDING!!!!

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Erisian wrote

is a radical left

That's also a stretch. A socialist political party? LOLOLOL

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daniel wrote

Don't like it, change the wikipedia entry.

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Erisian wrote

I mean if you trust wikipedia entries how do you expect me to trust anything you post?

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daniel wrote

Sometimes it's not about the source of the research or the author or the article reporting on it, it's just about the objective facts. If someone collects a hundred studies and writes a paper about their conclusions, then a bunch of the original study authors come out and explicitly state that their research was misrepresented - that is a problem.

It's even a bigger problem when their objections are ignored, and the incorrect findings of the meta analysis are repeated continuously forever. This applies to any topic, not just climate. It's misleading and when intentional, it's unethical.

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Erisian wrote

the kid who thinks I'm a communist thinks state socialism is radical leftism

I'm an engineer.

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daniel wrote

facts are incongruent with my narrow world view, let me try to insult a stranger on the Internet

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Erisian wrote (edited )

Tbf we're well past that, but I didn't expect you to realize it.

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daniel wrote

Up until this point I've been a civil engineer (forgive the pun), but you contribute nothing but trolling and sock-puppeting, and never add anything of substanative value to the discussion. Only misdirection and strife. I wish you the best, but I can't engage juvinile antics. Have a nice day.

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Splinglebot wrote

you contribute nothing but trolling and sock-puppeting, and never add anything of substanative value to the discussion. Only misdirection and strife.

oh, I see you're finally developing some self-awareness

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Erisian wrote

When will people realize I'm just a simple mirror. I knew daniel would be like this from the moment he droned on about having to hold his tongue against all the fear-mongering.

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arewehavingfunyet wrote

you think they'll listen? you realize this is heretical to their religion, right?

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Erisian wrote

did you really have to make a fake account to agree with yourself?

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Majrelende wrote (edited )

Where do you have to live to be able to say this?

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daniel wrote

I am receptive to good science, reproducable evidence-based analysis. Science is not a democracy. Science is based on empirical evidence and reproducable experiments.

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mofongo OP wrote

No, you don't. I showed you scientific studies that show and prove you're wrong and you ignore them after saying you'll read them. You're a fool and a liar.

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arewehavingfunyet wrote

I am receptive to objective reality. the sun is the source of all energy in our solar system, both gravitic and thermal. weve been moving into a grand solar minimum and the weather has correlated with it exactly. all of this global warming nonsense is simply fear propaganda to make people accept Al Gore and his globalist buddies carbon tax scheme.

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daniel wrote

AGW is a hypothesis, some call it a theory, and it's fine to do that. We can discuss things that are theoretical, but we shouldn't treat them like they are facts.

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mofongo OP wrote

It was an hypothesis 30 years ago, now it doesn't matter because global warming will screw us all.

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arewehavingfunyet wrote

they've put a lot more advanced satellites in orbit since spacex got rolling. they are finding that the planet is greening from carbon. they just couldn't have been any more wrong.

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mofongo OP wrote

And heating, lots of heating. And deserting, lots of desert. You can't just point at China and claim its 10 million trees is getting the world better when the Amazon is being ravaged.

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Erisian wrote

Or like when daniel said 'just a few tree's dying in Czechia,' meanwhile whole forests are dying. Not just 'a few trees'.

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daniel wrote

Some scientists have actually applied the scientific method to the problem and correctly calculated that planting 1 billion hectares (3,861,021 sq miles) of trees would reduce atmospheric CO2 by 25%. It's also not very expensive. Plus even if they're completely wrong about the CO2-warming thing, you can always use trees for stuff. Wood, sap/syrup, fruit, shade, recreational outdoor stuff, etc. So I would be in favor of it. Would even donate time/money/trees. I think it's a win-win idea.

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mofongo OP wrote

You want to plant trees to cut them down? That's defeating the purpose.

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Erisian wrote

It makes perfect sense if you want to make money off selling those trees.

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mofongo OP wrote

It's like a plan my government had when complaints arose about the construction of a coal power plant. To make things greener, they would make a mahogany forest around the coal plant, located in a semi arid area of the country.

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arewehavingfunyet wrote

I agree, but folks like tequila wolf and ziq definitely have inverted moral compasses, and I suspect they run the place. its a thing for enemies to just pump bad stuff out into the world in an attempt to subvert and destroy.

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arewehavingfunyet wrote

coming from a logging community, we are in complete agreement.

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mofongo OP wrote

Finally, someone from an industry that benefits from less climate change regulation! Is not like cutting down trees to make toothpicks is making climate change worse.

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